RE: Atheism in control would be bad
January 4, 2018 at 4:46 pm
(This post was last modified: January 4, 2018 at 4:52 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
It think it would be interesting to see, from a theist's point of view..what exactly qualifies as an "atheistic value and moral philosophy".
I think that people conflate secular values and moral philosophies with "atheistic" ones. This is a bitch of a misclassification, as all secular value and moral philosophies are equally available to theists..and very often are the -same- value and moral philosophies held by theists. Only "atheistic" in the most trivial sense that they do not explicitly refer to a god in their foundations...but neither do "theistic value and moral systems" in all of their particulars.
Ask some believer why x is wrong, and I'd eat a turd if the only thing they could come up with was "because god". I'm sure it would make their short list, but it wouldn't be alone. The simple fact that a believer is capable of identifying right from wrong apart from asking god the question shows that they are capable of engaging in a secular moral experiment or appraisal, but doing so doesn;t make the believer...or any subsequent secular moral conclusion "atheistic" in any meaningful or distinguishing way. They are, after all, still believers. At worst, they're just discussing another reason why x is wrong apart from the fact that they think "god" -also- makes x wrong or is somehow part of all of this at some other, deeper level.
I think that people conflate secular values and moral philosophies with "atheistic" ones. This is a bitch of a misclassification, as all secular value and moral philosophies are equally available to theists..and very often are the -same- value and moral philosophies held by theists. Only "atheistic" in the most trivial sense that they do not explicitly refer to a god in their foundations...but neither do "theistic value and moral systems" in all of their particulars.
Ask some believer why x is wrong, and I'd eat a turd if the only thing they could come up with was "because god". I'm sure it would make their short list, but it wouldn't be alone. The simple fact that a believer is capable of identifying right from wrong apart from asking god the question shows that they are capable of engaging in a secular moral experiment or appraisal, but doing so doesn;t make the believer...or any subsequent secular moral conclusion "atheistic" in any meaningful or distinguishing way. They are, after all, still believers. At worst, they're just discussing another reason why x is wrong apart from the fact that they think "god" -also- makes x wrong or is somehow part of all of this at some other, deeper level.
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