Kid dies

[Nay_Sayer]

I was thinking about this earlier.  Heaven and hell are a manifestation of the imagination of people who recognize that the world isn't fair, and can't accept it.  They are completely unable to accept reality as it is, and so they imagine a reality in which everybody gets what they deserve.  But the people who thought it up were primitive people, with primitive ideas about justice.  To them, their enemies deserved the worst punishment imaginable, and the good people deserve the best results possible.  It's stupid and absurd.  But modern religious people are shackled to the past, and so they endorse such infantile fantasies.

And for those (like the writers of the bible) who do not describe Heaven and Hell as being about what is or is not fair? Even Christ in the parable of the workers (where a land owner goes out several different times and highers workers throughout the day) and at the end they all get the very same reward/which was unfair for the very first workers.

Heaven has Christ taught it was often time at odds with the soceity's heigharchy on what was fair and not fair. The prime example being one could not hold a grudge or have ill will towards another even if that person sinned aginst him. The parable of the unmerciful servant shows us that if we seek vengence for being treated wrongly and will not forgive another who sinned against us, we in turn are endanger of loosing our own salvation. This was a very counter culture idea at the time and one you seemed to miss as well in your deep thoughts sessions.

Not to mention the idea of Hell was new, and who went to Hell did not always included enmies, but loved ones as well. often times believers would have to choose their God over their family member. This too is very counter the cut and dry veiw of a simplistic/primitive man heaven or hell. Rather this is what moder people believe Heaven and hell are about rather than what the bible teaches. It is a way for the 'superior mind' to straw man their way past the subject rather than try and explain what is written on page concerning heaven or hell

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I'm more concerned about kids born to hell.

"spider boy" is 'proof' of anything. God is repersented by that sack of food, and the commission for us to feed the hungry. If there was no food in the sack along with that command, then that is a no God situation. The fact that God decided that 10% of us control where the vast majority of food goes and tells us to share, yet we don't is proof of evil/satan in our cultures. not the lack of God.

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*bold mine

There is a great deal of truth to all this, and while i was re-thinking my Christianity this was my last thread of hope i held onto this was the only thing that would make any sense at all, to make the world just in any way. This is what I used to teach regarding the problem of evil and i could see the comfort it gave people, pity like most platitudes it was simply an illusion.

Of course now the reality is simply that we really are on our own, that humanity has to do this.  Humanity is responsible for it's own justice, indeed humanity has made baby steps in this area.  I wont see it, neither shall you but i'm convinced that one way or another it is inevitable.

Even then it may be an illusion but, I can do what I can, it's given me purpose and a reason that shines even brighter than the faith I once held so dear, One of us can only make the tiniest difference, but that difference will count to our children, and our children's children.  In the same way dependence on the supernatural spread we can teach reliance on self, the next generation to look the universe in the eye and the need to get on with our fellow humanity.

Religion has failed miserably it's time for a newer braver future free of irrational fear, this is what i fight for now, it's time to build for our children's children.

Religion may have failed, but only a fool ascribes that failure to God. Over and over through the scriptures and in history of the church we have revival after revival/shedding of religion inorder for people to seek God directly rather than through the lens of religion.

Maybe if your false god could just get up off his lazy ass and do something, But he isn't there, obviously.  Only the lost sheep of the ideology who hide sermons and proselytizing in food drives and missionary work and their free time reposting 1 like= 100 prayers on facebook.


Compare this to the teachings of Pastafarianism scripture which is quite clear you should always give when you can and that one should strive to help another. Whose chosen followers know that giving without an ulterior motive is a reward in it of itself.

FSM works tirelessly to undo the injustices caused by false belief systems which wrong people some people on pedestals via the backs of the poor and ignorant.

RAmen