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Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
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RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
(January 9, 2018 at 12:51 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote:
(January 9, 2018 at 10:34 am)Godscreated Wrote:   God doesn't need anything, if you want to be saved you will have to ask. Some suffering is necessary and some we bring on ourselves. Instead of accepting responsibility for your actions and the results of those actions you want to blame God. You can never interfere with God's plan, he will not allow it. Of coarse He knew Adam and Eve would disobey Him and that sin would destroy mankind if He did not do something about it. We are not pawns in a game, you are evidence of that, you have decided that your rejection of God is an acceptable risk and are willing to suffer eternally if you are wrong.

GC

So God loves me, yet if I don't ask for forgiveness for my sins, one of which I didn't commit, He will send me to Hell?

First you have to accept Jesus as you savior and Lord, then ask for forgiveness. What son do you believe you haven't committed.
 
DA Wrote:You might reply that I'm sending myself to Hell, no I'm not. He's the one who invented Hell and commaded for all sinners to go there. I can't say that someone being arrested for commiting a crime arrested themselves.

You are sending yourself to hell, you have a choice to live with the God of the universe forever, the decision is yours and yours alone. God did not invent hell from the eternal past God has known the for need of hell.
 
DA Wrote:You think it's fair that all humanity was blamed for a mistake two humans made? Todays human justice doesn't see it that way. And why is knowing the difference between wrong and right bad? Doesn't this mean Adam and Eve were amoral?
  

They were blamed for the first sin because this allowed sin into the world. We have to suffer the consequences of that disobedience. It doesn't matter what today's humans think or believe, what matter is what God says, He is in total control it is His universe and He can do with it as He sees fit. The only say you have in the matter is saying yes to Jesus. The tree was The tree of knowledge of good and evil, not what's right or wrong. They knew the difference between right and wrong with only one commandment to keep. So you see there's a huge difference in saying right and wrong vs good and evil.
 
DA Wrote:I think that the first step of doing the right thing is knowing the difference between good and bad.

This is easy, wrong is disobedience of God's will and right is doing the will of God obediently.

DA Wrote:If God is all-knowing this means He knows the future as well. If He knows exactly what is going to happen is He able to change it?

No He can't change it, that would interfere with your free choice between heaven and hell. God has already lived and continually does live the future.

DA Wrote:If he is able, and the future takes place exactly as He commands, doesn't this mean that our actions take place exactly as He commands as well? You claim we have free will, so He doesn't interfere with that. If he isn't able to, this means he isn't all powerfull.

He can't change the future so the rest of your posit has no bearing on the conversation.

DA Wrote:If he is able but not willing then there is power He doesn't use to prevent evil. I see a paradox here. http://en.atheismfacts.org/epicurean-paradox.html
And I don't blame God, I don't believe in Him. I blame the people who invented and used Him for their personal benefit.

What personal benefit? God will not prevent all evil, He allowed a great evil to come upon the Son and why because He loves you, it's simple. God doesn't care about epicurean-paradox or any other man made thoughts to explain Him away. By the way you will see the power of our almighty God one of these days and I hope it's not to late for you. But, it is your decision and ultimately you will be to blame for your own sin as Adam and Eve were blamed for theirs.

GC

(January 9, 2018 at 12:23 pm)Grandizer Wrote:
(January 9, 2018 at 10:34 am)Godscreated Wrote: Your the one who says He doesn't make sense and your the one that claims He doesn't exist, so nothings changed and if you call this little bit an attempt to prove he doesn't then you have grandly failed. Try again.

GC

Oh, man, the irony. Yes, exactly, man, exactly.

You call that a try, I say it's pitiful.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Messages In This Thread
RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith? - by Joods - December 28, 2017 at 2:57 am
RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith? - by Joods - December 27, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith? - by Brian37 - December 27, 2017 at 10:44 am
RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith? - by Godscreated - January 10, 2018 at 12:27 am

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