Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist

[Catholic_Lady]

Probably not the best example, tibs..since of course she confirmed that her opinion was what she thought the catholic opinion was, and mentioned that what with her being a catholic that's not really much of a surprise.

She suggested a return to puritanical sexual mores as a solution for rape, lol.

It was still an assumed motivation at that point. Thump is being a hypocrite. His words were "when you may or may not know why".

Yes. And just because my opinions on moral issues will always be in line with Catholicism, doesn't mean I'm pushing some kind of agenda when I voice my opinion on a moral issue. Which is precisely what I was being accused of.

Thump is accusing me of pushing my agenda, and has said I've done it before and was doing it when I made one comment earlier on in the thread. It's really fucking shitty when you contribute a comment with your opinion, without even mentioning religion whatsoever, and someone dismisses you with an accusation of pushing agendas. I wasnt even trying to make an argument. A particular point was raised about coorced consent and I made one passing comment in response to it expressing my thoughts. And then got accused by thump of pushing an agenda.

I mean, what the hell does that even mean?? Is he trying to say I'm attempting to convert people to the Church here? Trust me, I have no delusions that anyone will be converted via online forum. Much less that one comment I made about sexuality will do the trick. I'm here for discussion just like everyone else.

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Imagine this. Two people start making out. Clothes come off. They continue to make out, completely naked. Is it reasonable at that point for one of them to assume that its ok to reach for the others' genetelia?

If you're making out with someone and you both got naked and are making out naked, do you have to ask "may I touch your vagina?" If you do so without asking, is that sexual assault?

As I said before. Getting naked during a make out session certainly sends out a major non verbal cue.

OK, let's assume this is a first encounter between the two people.

I would find it *very* strange if the first thing that is done after removing clothes is to reach for genitals. Instead, I would expect more making out--kissing, touching, exploring and *eventually* after a fairly long bit of interaction *gradually* move to genitals. And even the make-out would be proceeded with an appreciative look and an offer to resume.

Going slowly not only builds up the mood, but it allows for multiple possibilities for stopping the action if someone isn't into it.

Let me clarify that I agree going slowly and being always considerate of the other person is what should be done. Ive said about a million times that aziz's actions were disrespectful and wrong. But I don't think it's sexual assault not to move so slowly as you describe. Its shitty and selfish and inconsiderate.