Admitting You're a Sinner

[The Grand Nudger]

The funny thing is, Khem seems to have a soft spot for the allegorical interpretation, yet all he seems to do when you bring something like this up is shove the Catechism in your face. I like the allegorical interpretation.There is a nugget of truth in it: once an organism becomes morally aware, it also becomes [i]morally responsible.[/i] If one accepts this proposition (as I do, tentatively and with caveats) then the story of Adam and Eve becomes a meaningful allegory. We were once animalistic organisms who had no moral awareness. Once we became morally aware-- evolved a capacity for reason-- we (metaphorically) ate from the tree of knowledge and had bestowed upon us all the curses of knowledge of good and evil. At that point, we became morally responsible, which really is a curse if you think about it. We sometimes have to struggle against our instincts now that we are morally aware. That's a pain in the ass.

OFC I do, the bible is a giant running allegory.  That doesn't change the fact that to utter it and call that utterence "the catholic position" is an impressive misrepresentation of catholicism and "the catholic position".

 If Khemikal has a point CL, it's this: the Church has an official doctrine and many practicing Catholics reject it. But Khem doesn't have as strong a point as he thinks. I think he sounds more like the young upstart who told me that people who reject an official Church position aren't Catholic. 

That is my only point.  

Thomas Merton is an extraordinary Catholic thinker. He rejected a great many Catholic precepts and he was a trappist monk! How much more Catholic can you get? Khemikal doesn't seem to realize that just because the Papacy has an official interpretation on things that there can't be diversity among Catholics concerning the matters upon which the Church takes an official stand. 

Whats this "cant be diversity" nonsense?  I know there -is- "diversity"...but that doesn't make that "diversity" any less heterodox.  It doesn't change "the catholic position"...and they don;t use the word "diversity" to refer to it...lol.  This is a big issue for the clergy at present. They're trying to find a way to remedy it..but I don't think they will. I think they've lost the flock forever.

Please read the above response to CL's quote. You made the above statements to mock CL, but I make the case that your mockery is misplaced. You ought to commend CL's allegorical interpretation rather than insinuating she doesn't adhere to the Catholic faith.

I have, often, lol...but it's ironic in that my commendaton is precisely -for- failing to adhere to RCC doctrine.

Give her a fucking break, man. I'll take a rational theist over an irrational atheist any day. I think you share this attitude with me.

It's the RCC busting her balls..and is it really too much to expect someone making authoritative claims on "the catholic position" and browbeating others about telling her what her beliefs -as a catholic- are supposed to be to...

a..know what that is..
and b
..properly relate it.

I hardly think so, and ofc the catechism states explicitly that "catholics" who misrepresent the catholic faith share culpability in the "sin" of atheism.

I'm a fucking anti-theist and even -I- give the church and it's beliefs that much respect. I at least learned what it was I didn;t believe in..whereas the faithful seem uninterested in what they profess to believe..and sometimes..downright hostile to it. I do share the latter with you, but I don;t see any relevance in it to our conversation on this matter.