(January 20, 2018 at 3:56 am)Haipule Wrote:(January 20, 2018 at 3:03 am)Astreja Wrote: I see First Cause as a contradiction in terms. "Cause" indicates the ability to take an action, but action requires energy; therefore, energy had to exist before the alleged First Cause acted.Preach it sister!
"Second Cause" might be the closest you can get to a creator-god. Creation from nothingness is absurd because creation would require energy, and energy isn't nothingness.
That's why I view God as preternatural authority and not a supernatural Omni. I mean, if God made nature using nature(energy) then why would He have to exist outside of anything made to be that authority? Can't He be authority within the bounds of His established makings?
I don't make many friends when I say such things--theist or atheist.
I don't agree with you (especially since I could then ask what the point of God would be in such case), but such conceptions of God make far more logical sense than some entity that happens to be beyond the bounds of existence itself.