RE: Why some humans are so evil: double standards and irreligion
January 25, 2018 at 2:05 pm
(This post was last modified: January 25, 2018 at 2:10 pm by WinterHold.)
(January 25, 2018 at 11:09 am)Brian37 Wrote: Atlass33
The truth of reality is that human evolution WILL ALWAYS produce BOTH cruelty and compassion. Unfortunately the reality is BOTH can work in getting to the point of reproduction.
I don't say that to say humans should be fatalistic or default to inhuman brutality. I only say that as a reality. Just like we know hurricanes and volcanos and earthquakes can kill us too. Just like bacteria and cancer can kill us too.
Humans have always, and will always display acts of cruelty and compassion. The key to reducing harm isn't to chalk it up to old mythology, but to seek UNDERSTANDING of conditions that lead to that harm. Japan is severely earthquake prone, but at the same time their scientists are CONSTANTLY seeking better technology to make better building codes to reduce the effects of earthquakes on buildings.
BUT the same can be said with human behaviors, which is why fields like psychology, psychiatry, criminology and neurology help us understand how we as a species behave under certain conditions.
Crimes like rape, and child molesting for example, are not a result of a magic super villain screwing with the brain of the criminal. Those crimes are understood through decades of psychology, psychiatry and documenting interviews with BOTH the victim and criminals. That understanding has lead us to knowing that those acts are not about sex, but about power and control. In much the same way we know what conditions have the potential to lead to a hurricane.
Unfortunately religion, not just yours, but worldwide in all of our species history, makes very bad guesses as to why humans do what they do, good or bad.
Religion in all it's forms is a flawed perception which is a very bad gap answer as to why natural events happen.
"Natural" to the theist, is a very childish candy coated idea of "only good should happen".
"Natural" to an objective observer is merely reporting what they observe, good or bad. Natural ethics is when you report then based upon where the evidence takes you, you seek solutions to even the bad natural events, just like building codes in Japan are constantly challenged to improve the safety of the structure. Just like the flu virus is natural and BAD which is why we create new vaccines to reduce the harm the virus causes.
Humans do have the essence of both "good & evil" inside their minds; I can say that no person is purely evil or purely good, we always stand in a gray spot.
I disagree with you that all religions fail at defining good and evil; or the natural gray spot we all stand in. Yes; many religions fail to define what is natural and what isn't; but I do believe that Islam is very different from other religions.
I'm a theist; and matters are not summed in a simple "only good should happen" sentence. Controlling (and creating) both good & evil, attributing the act of creation of both ways to a single entity, is one aspect I find very logical.
The problem with finding God; is the same as the problem of detecting earthquakes: "what is 'enough' to prove he's there for the person"?
i.e what is enough for you, to consider a ground bounce an "earthquake"?
In other words; the evidence is already there in the design. What was provided is enough.
(January 25, 2018 at 11:10 am)Khemikal Wrote:(January 25, 2018 at 11:00 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I doubt that the gangster would do what he did if he feared hell, and that the same would happen to him.
Weren't you just saying something about the inquisition?
Meanwhile, the quran is torture porn, whomever wrote it was one sick puppy.....maybe that's why you think "fear of hell" should compel people?
No. I said:
Quote:Once you drop fear about that day; either by non-believe or believing that hell would pass you; then you'll probably skin people alive...or fight "terrorism".
Don't forget: many Christians believe that "hell" will never touch them if they "accept Jesus".
Kill, torture, butcher, then go confess !