(January 25, 2018 at 11:49 am)wallym Wrote:(January 25, 2018 at 11:36 am)Cyberman Wrote: Those things you listed are fundamentally different from any post-mortem judgement and ensuing punishment - I know they exist and can be taken from me without any notice. However, it's even more basic than the fear of losing what I have which prevents me from raping, killing and torturing, or even lying, stealing and cheating - I simply don't want to. I'm not wired that way. That some people think that the only thing stopping them being 'evil', for want of a better word, is fear of reprisal - illusory or otherwise - is a revealing commentary about them, as opposed to a thing lacking in me.
Why don't you want to do it, is the trick. It's all very tenuous.
No, it's actually the opposite of that. I specifically stated that I'm not wired that way. I quite simply do not have it in me deliberately to inflict harm on another being (unless you're a spider, in which case all bets are off).
(January 25, 2018 at 11:49 am)wallym Wrote: In my opinion, what keeps us from being awful is circumstance. If you and I were born 200 years ago, we'd very likely have no problem owning some slaves. 400 years ago, we'd almost certainly be devoutly religious, maybe burning some people for witchcraft? I don't think there's anything special about you and I that we aren't out raping and stealing. What's special is the circumstances into which we were born. That's primarily what's kept us from being a terrible people. A coincidence of time and place.
To channel my inner Thunderf00t, were I to find myself suddenly transported into those times with the same mind I have at present, ie I'm the sazme person as I am now, then no I would not do those things. I could not do those things. On the other hand, if I was to find myself a product of my time, then that person would not be me to the extent that I could not say either way how I might behave. That's why I can reflect on the worst periods in history and think how terrible that people were subjected to them.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'