(January 25, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(January 25, 2018 at 4:26 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: Where exactly did I say the words you are putting in my mouth?
Goal of religion isn't to get rid of humanity, it's goal is to make people be submissive to authority.
Regarding your morality based on religion, you've got it the other way around, your choice of religion is based on and conforms with your morality. You weren't born a catholic, you were raised a catholic. The heathens here don't go around raping, murdering people despite not believing in your religion, and you wouldn't either because good people are good irrespective of their religious affiliations.
Sorry, you made it sound like losing my humanity would be the final step of/intention of my faith, if I were to go that far.
I suppose you are right about the goal of my faith being to be "submissive to authority." Though that's an interesting way of putting it. Most of us would say that the goal is to strive to live by God's commandments... and I was taught that God commands us to love other people and do good for other people. Because all people have inherent dignity. Nearly all morality revolves around that basic fundamental principle.
Anyway, this whole interaction between you and I started because I told DownBeatDrum that religious ideals arent in and of themselves, inherently bad. It just depends on what the ideals are. Religious ideals can influence a person to do good or they can influence them to do bad, depending on what the religious ideals are... like any other ideals we live our life by. I'm still not sure how our discussion has followed that.
In my view, it isn't that religion inevitably results in a loss of humanity. It is simply one of the motivating forces which can have that effect. In the story of Abraham I doubt that sacrificing a son is anything that would otherwise ever cross his mind. But believing it is God's command and simultaneously believing nothing is more important than pleasing God could bring him to do just that.
There are plenty of stories of people having psychotic breaks who believe similar things, that Jesus wants you to send your kids on up ahead. Next thing you know someone has rolled a car full of kids into a lake to drown them.
I guess the question is whether a religious person holds God in such a high regard as to overweigh every other consideration. If so, then under duress they and their loved ones are in danger.
But it doesn't have to be religion. Patriotism can also unbalance a person leading them to take extreme measures.
