RE: A problem with the word "atheist"
January 26, 2018 at 11:47 am
(This post was last modified: January 26, 2018 at 12:00 pm by Fake Messiah.)
(January 26, 2018 at 10:20 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Here my position on the belief in Santa... I don't care, not a day goes by where I wonder if Santa exists, there isn't one discussion forum I belong to identifying with my non-belief in Santa. So were really not talking about anything remotely similar are we?
We were not actually talking about Santa, but about argument you brought up and that is that we can't dismiss god because god can't be disproved and then I used Santa as an example. I could have used Tooth-fairy or garden gnomes. Santa is not the issue but the fact that we can dismiss stuff that can't be proven not to exist as you diss Santa although you probably believed in him in your childhood.
I would not dream of asking you to prove, in either of the foregoing senses, that Santa doesn’t exist. Nevertheless you don’t believe in Santa and you think your non-belief is justified. The existence of Santa, you might say, is not impossible, but it is wildly improbable. The same is with atheists and god when the argument of "god can't be disproved not to exist" - do you get it now?
Now you are saying that you want to believe in god because you want to live forever and wishing something is not an argument that it exists. Also then you don't know which god to bow because other gods, if it turns out they're real will punish you.
(January 26, 2018 at 10:04 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong once again fool.![]()
Real people, real accident, real hospitals, real doctors, real death, real experiences with God, real coming back from death, real witnesses, real atheists and real people who never thought about it and now are 100% theists.
If that is not evidence then you are a total fool.![]()
https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/exceptional.html
Listen to me LR why do you bring that page as some sort of evidence for NDE? It is a web page that anyone can come and write a story they had an NDE, I could go and write some fake story. Is it because it's run by some doctor? So what? Medical degree unfortunately doesn't guarantee that that person won't be a quack. For instance Dr. Oz "practices" Reiki or there is another doctor called Dr. Stephen Greer who gathers around himself UFO people and claims he is in touch with aliens so does that mean that you believe in aliens visiting Earth? Should we all believe in it?
When it comes to so called NDEs there was some research in it like Richard Feynman in those water tanks concluded that people can hallucinate that they leave their bodies. Other thing is that some prominent people were dead like James Randi and probably even Stephen Hawking and they never saw anything.
Now we here don't claim we know 100% there is no afterlife but some stupid web page will not convince us; just as Dr. Oz will not convince us Reiki works or Greer that aliens are here.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"