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God does not determine right and wrong
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RE: God does not determine right and wrong
Quote:Why should an all powerful God who is loving, get a kick out of making you a robot?

I hear this short-sighted objection from theists all the time:  'No sin means no free will.'  Well, if God is all powerful (as you claim) what would be the objection to God allowing the creation of only those people who, of their own free will, would never sin?

Quote:You are entitled to make whatever judgments about God.

Golly, thanks.

Quote:But how would you like me misrepresent you without further knowledge of who you are?

I don't think I'd care for it very much.

 
Quote:Let's say someone is considered to be a criminal in prison, a corrupt court could have placed them there with all the evidence against them, and no one, not even their own family believes they are innocent.

Innocent people go to prison, but this doesn't apply to God.  See below.


 
Quote:Innocent until proven guilty applies to God.

But God is, by definition, already proved guilty. If God is indeed the creator and sustainer of the Universe, then everything that ever happens anywhere can be laid to God's charge.  The mudslide that buries a village in Indonesia, a baby elephant chasing birds, thalidomide babies, lottery winners - everything.  And if God is all powerful, he could have created and sustained a universe without the horrors of either moral or natural evil.  Since he hasn't, and human beings as moral actors are the ones who have to suffer the caprices of the God of whom you think so highly, it seems that we're entitled to an explanation as to why things are the way they are.  To date, this explanation hasn't been forthcoming.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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God does not determine right and wrong - by Alexmahone - January 26, 2018 at 11:25 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Catholic_Lady - January 26, 2018 at 11:27 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - January 27, 2018 at 9:03 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 11:04 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 6:59 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 7:07 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 7:52 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 8:48 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by bennyboy - January 27, 2018 at 9:24 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Brian37 - January 29, 2018 at 7:35 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 1:22 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Minimalist - January 27, 2018 at 1:52 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 3:34 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Minimalist - January 27, 2018 at 11:03 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 7:34 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Nay_Sayer - January 27, 2018 at 7:46 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 8:14 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Nay_Sayer - January 27, 2018 at 9:26 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by brewer - January 27, 2018 at 10:56 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - January 27, 2018 at 8:52 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Grandizer - January 27, 2018 at 2:02 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - January 27, 2018 at 10:28 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - January 27, 2018 at 10:32 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 5:48 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - January 27, 2018 at 10:10 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by shadow - January 29, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 1, 2018 at 7:23 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 7:37 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - February 1, 2018 at 11:46 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - January 27, 2018 at 11:05 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Grandizer - February 8, 2018 at 10:35 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Grandizer - February 9, 2018 at 12:54 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - February 8, 2018 at 11:48 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - January 27, 2018 at 11:09 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 6:54 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - January 27, 2018 at 8:04 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by SteveII - January 27, 2018 at 12:53 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Whateverist - January 27, 2018 at 7:05 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by brewer - January 27, 2018 at 8:10 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 9:01 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 28, 2018 at 2:31 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Nay_Sayer - January 28, 2018 at 3:31 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - January 28, 2018 at 9:30 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 29, 2018 at 7:30 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2018 at 9:24 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 1, 2018 at 7:38 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 7:43 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 1, 2018 at 7:52 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 11:53 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Grandizer - February 1, 2018 at 7:45 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - February 1, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 6:28 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 5:36 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Mister Agenda - February 2, 2018 at 11:21 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 28, 2018 at 10:56 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 29, 2018 at 7:44 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 29, 2018 at 11:37 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by CapnAwesome - January 27, 2018 at 9:07 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 9:17 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - January 27, 2018 at 11:24 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 11:43 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 28, 2018 at 3:34 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - January 29, 2018 at 10:09 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Mr.wizard - January 28, 2018 at 9:37 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Cinjin - January 28, 2018 at 1:03 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Ignorant - January 29, 2018 at 6:49 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Sal - January 29, 2018 at 7:47 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 29, 2018 at 8:32 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 29, 2018 at 8:13 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Catholic_Lady - January 29, 2018 at 12:13 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by shadow - January 29, 2018 at 12:26 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Brian37 - January 29, 2018 at 6:15 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - January 29, 2018 at 12:54 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 29, 2018 at 1:08 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - January 29, 2018 at 1:17 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Whateverist - January 29, 2018 at 1:00 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 29, 2018 at 5:39 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 29, 2018 at 6:14 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 29, 2018 at 11:46 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Magilla - February 1, 2018 at 9:28 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 5:52 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Magilla - February 3, 2018 at 2:21 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Cyberman - February 3, 2018 at 3:22 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 6:48 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 7:06 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Sal - February 2, 2018 at 7:12 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - February 2, 2018 at 10:39 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 5:27 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 6:33 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 7:09 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Sal - February 2, 2018 at 7:23 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 7:24 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Magilla - February 3, 2018 at 8:47 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Jeezypete - February 4, 2018 at 2:23 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Succubus - February 4, 2018 at 6:14 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 7:19 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Grandizer - February 8, 2018 at 9:52 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 9:54 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - February 8, 2018 at 2:55 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - February 9, 2018 at 10:48 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - February 9, 2018 at 11:29 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - February 9, 2018 at 12:16 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - February 9, 2018 at 6:23 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Imabeliever - February 12, 2018 at 5:22 pm

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