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Losing respect for Rand Paul
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RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul
(February 1, 2018 at 8:06 pm)Khemikal Wrote: When the rest of the world lols at our "left" and reminds us that they're conservatives, or right leaning centrists -at best- ......everywhere else...something is awry.

(February 1, 2018 at 8:05 pm)shadow Wrote: Wrong and wrong. Usually it's a matter of improved technology.
If you say so, meanwhile, cheaper tech is winning over "better tech" in every category.

Not at all. In renewable energy, for example, it's a very new advancement, but wind and solar PV are handily winning free market bids on providing electricity in many places, like Mexico, countries in South America, and the middle east. Wind especially can get extremely cheap (we're talking 2-3 cents per kwh quite commonly). Such that they are the choice of a lot of developing nations building out power grids for the first time, because it would be more expensive to build a coal plant.

It's hard to generalize because the cost depends on an area's conditions and when the plant was built, but this in an example (a bit outdated because it's from 2016 so things are cheaper now, but it emphasizes the complete lack of subsidy necessary):
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon...d2ed5044a9

This, more recently, in South America, where you have wind bidding slightly below solar at about $18 per megawatt hour - aka 1.8 cents per kwh. Confused Fall How much do you pay for your electricity? Good luck generating coal for that price. Even with a fully amortized coal plant, like those we have in North America, you'd be hard pressed to create energy that cheap.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/...ind-mexico

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Quote:Like I said, it's a new way of thinking about things.
Yeah..and are -you- planning on coming out of pocket, personally..to educate each and every one of them to think the new way?  Roll that into the cost of your product, and gl with that.  I have profound difficulty in educating my consumers so that they are willing to pay the --same- price for a better product.  I expect that it will be easier for you..when you get around to it...but I hope you at least realize how much money someone else spent to make that situation a reality...when the day comes. 

I mean, I'm planning to go into the energy industry where this isn't as much of a problem because you sell to a power utility. But sustainability marketing is something I'm really interested in as well, and it would be how you'd go about doing this. But I would argue educating the populous is even more of a challenge for people who think democracy will save them.

Largely I can shove solar or wind power down your throat whether you like it or not: if it's cheaper, you don't need to care about the environment to use it Smile
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Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 7:03 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Edwardo Piet - February 1, 2018 at 9:03 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 9:06 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Edwardo Piet - February 1, 2018 at 9:09 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 9:16 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Grandizer - February 1, 2018 at 9:21 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 1, 2018 at 9:29 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Grandizer - February 1, 2018 at 9:33 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 1, 2018 at 9:41 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Edwardo Piet - February 1, 2018 at 10:05 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 10:02 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Brian37 - February 1, 2018 at 10:24 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Thumpalumpacus - February 1, 2018 at 7:22 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Edwardo Piet - February 1, 2018 at 9:21 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Edwardo Piet - February 1, 2018 at 9:31 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Brian37 - February 1, 2018 at 9:57 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Aegon - February 1, 2018 at 10:00 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 10:07 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Aegon - February 1, 2018 at 10:07 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 10:08 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 1, 2018 at 10:14 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Amarok - February 1, 2018 at 4:05 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 4:06 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Tiberius - February 1, 2018 at 4:36 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Minimalist - February 1, 2018 at 5:05 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Pat Mustard - February 1, 2018 at 4:39 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 1, 2018 at 4:48 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Pat Mustard - February 1, 2018 at 6:13 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 5:25 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Pat Mustard - February 1, 2018 at 6:24 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 6:29 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Pat Mustard - February 1, 2018 at 6:47 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 1, 2018 at 6:51 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Brian37 - February 1, 2018 at 9:22 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 1, 2018 at 9:49 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Brian37 - February 1, 2018 at 10:03 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Pat Mustard - February 3, 2018 at 7:00 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 3, 2018 at 9:06 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Brian37 - February 3, 2018 at 9:28 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 3, 2018 at 9:47 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Brian37 - February 3, 2018 at 11:08 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Pat Mustard - February 3, 2018 at 10:50 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 4, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 3, 2018 at 3:32 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 7:09 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 5:03 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 5:11 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Minimalist - February 1, 2018 at 5:12 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Anomalocaris - February 1, 2018 at 5:17 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Minimalist - February 1, 2018 at 5:19 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Amarok - February 1, 2018 at 5:26 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 5:45 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 5:36 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Amarok - February 1, 2018 at 5:45 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 5:47 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 6:01 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Pat Mustard - February 1, 2018 at 6:30 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Amarok - February 1, 2018 at 5:54 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 6:13 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 6:07 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 1, 2018 at 6:12 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 6:25 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 1, 2018 at 6:39 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Brian37 - February 1, 2018 at 6:50 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 6:14 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 6:28 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Amarok - February 1, 2018 at 6:33 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 6:36 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 6:48 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 6:42 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 6:49 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 7:11 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 7:28 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 7:24 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Thumpalumpacus - February 1, 2018 at 7:54 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 1, 2018 at 7:26 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Minimalist - February 1, 2018 at 7:30 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 7:30 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 7:37 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 7:51 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 8:05 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 8:01 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Thumpalumpacus - February 2, 2018 at 1:51 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Minimalist - February 2, 2018 at 2:16 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Thumpalumpacus - February 2, 2018 at 2:31 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Brian37 - February 2, 2018 at 9:30 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by vulcanlogician - February 1, 2018 at 8:03 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2018 at 8:06 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 2, 2018 at 4:41 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 1:53 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Thumpalumpacus - February 2, 2018 at 2:41 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 2:33 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 2:55 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Thumpalumpacus - February 2, 2018 at 9:52 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Pat Mustard - February 3, 2018 at 9:20 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 4:58 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 2, 2018 at 5:11 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 5:14 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 2, 2018 at 5:28 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Edwardo Piet - February 2, 2018 at 5:56 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 5:31 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 2, 2018 at 5:37 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 5:40 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 2, 2018 at 5:51 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 5:55 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 2, 2018 at 6:08 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Edwardo Piet - February 2, 2018 at 6:10 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Pat Mustard - February 3, 2018 at 8:11 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 7:15 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Minimalist - February 2, 2018 at 11:54 am
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Thumpalumpacus - February 2, 2018 at 12:57 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 2, 2018 at 1:28 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Anomalocaris - February 2, 2018 at 1:33 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Minimalist - February 2, 2018 at 2:23 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Amarok - February 2, 2018 at 2:29 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Anomalocaris - February 2, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 1:32 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 2, 2018 at 1:34 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Anomalocaris - February 2, 2018 at 2:08 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 1:36 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Minimalist - February 2, 2018 at 2:30 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Amarok - February 2, 2018 at 2:34 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Minimalist - February 2, 2018 at 2:37 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 2:38 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Minimalist - February 2, 2018 at 3:57 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by Amarok - February 2, 2018 at 3:58 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2018 at 4:03 pm
RE: Losing respect for Rand Paul - by shadow - February 2, 2018 at 4:11 pm

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