The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians

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It doesn't matter whether God would be God without one of the Persons of God, God is who He is and that means He is unchanging, He has always been triune and He always will be. This puts an end to arguing about the nature of God, it has been established eternally.

I'm not sure you even know what I'm arguing. I never argued that Christians like you don't believe that God is eternally triune. Unless I'm missing your point here.

You were arguing God wasn't triune and that He was triune and I showed that God has always been triune in my post.

Second you have stated that all three "are fully the one God." This isn't correct and you know it, you've stated it that way because you know you can use it endlessly to argue with. The correct statement is that the Father is fully God, the Son is fully God and the Holy Spirit is fully God, this means they are all of one nature, of one mind. By using "one" the way you did separates them from each other and that isn't possible.

It wasn't my intention to describe the triune God as God comprising ontologically separate Persons. I thought I was doing Christians like you a favor by stressing that each of the Persons of God are that one and same God, that they are all that one Being.

You posted it that way and you were arguing it that way, so the best I can tell is that you intentionally meant that each one is a separate God and that is not true, by nature being triune eliminates the possibility of each being a God.

Do you agree with SteveII that each of the Persons of God are a part of God? You know, when I was a Christian, I was clearly taught that this was heresy as it minimizes the divinity of each of the Persons.

Yes and I would think that my previous post established that fact. You can't minimize God nor the three Persons who are God, He is the almighty and no matter what we say or do will minimize God in any way. Tell me how could one minimize the One who created the entire universe? Tell me what denomination did you belong to? tell me what makes you believe you were ever a Christian?

You were correct when you said the three are one God and yet they are three distinct Persons. The Father is not the head but does instruct the Son and Holy Spirit in what to do, Jesus said that He does what He sees the Father doing and Jesus also said that the Father will send the Holy Spirit after I have ascended to the Father. Jesus also said that the Father is the only one who knows when I will be sent back to claim my people, thus more proof of three separate persons.

 

What do you mean by "separate"? Do you mean they are parallel divine persons, rather than having the exact same being? I was taught that the Persons of God were distinct, but NOT separate. Distinct in terms of roles, but inseparable otherwise.

Separate - Each is an individual. Analogy, a sound system has a receiver, a amplifier, and speakers three parts combined into one system to make music. They are three divine individuals with the same nature and that is unchanging. I made this clear in my previous post. The truine God is inseparable by necessity meaning they are like minded and have the same nature yet they are three separate persons. If they were inseparable then the salvation of man kind as it is describe in the Bible would not have been possible. They are as I have said inseparable in nature and mind.

As you pointed out at Jesus baptisim, Jesus was the one baptised, the Holy Spirit appeared as a dove and sat upon His shoulder and the Father spoke and called Him my Son. Again we have three persons who are one God, they all three made themselves known and that they were in agreement with the beginning of Christ's ministry. Also let me mention that when you see the word LORD in all caps this is referring to the Trinity. As far as I have noticed when Jesus was called Lord in the NT only the 'L' is in caps. So all three are God and all three participate in discussions and decisions because they are of one mind and nature, yet the Father does instruct the Son and Holy Spirit in when they should do things. You might ask why would God do something this way, well it is a guide to how the family is to conduct itself. The father, mother and children are all equal partners in the family and all have a voice in the family, but like the heavenly Father the father of an earthly family instructs or makes a finial decision.

So you believe God is just a term for a family of divine entities? How are you different from the Mormons in this regard (aside from the eternal part)?

 How is it that you can't understand who the Trinity is and what I believe the Trinity to be. I explained this very clearly and yet you think I was speaking of God as a family, when I stated that God is three persons in one with like mindedness and one true nature. They are one God not a family. A family is made up of any number of people of three or more and being human they would never be of the same nature nor like minded. This is why I said the family is to operate like the triune God, so there would always be order to the decision making process of the family.
I notice you completely ignored the Genesis reference where God does state He is of more than one person. You also ignored that when the word LORD is in all caps that the Trinity is being referred to, why?

GC

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"Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the Tree of Life and eat, and live forever." Notice the bold, "one of us," I can tell you this God was not taking council from the angels or any other created thing and God being the only One who was never created the the council was within the Trinity.

Oh, you can tell us that..can you..because magic book isn;t saying that.  You are.  You're the one offering assurances.  Were you there or something..party to that conversation, or maybe you and the author went to highschool? Or..hey, maybe...the hebrews were henotheists who believed in more than one god and their magic book reflects that. 50/50...I guess.

This answer to my post shows how little knowledge and logic you have of the Bible and the understanding of things said. You can't give a sound argument because you do not have one, this is why you resort to childish tactics and then pat yourself on the back because you believe you have accomplished something, when in reality you have accomplished nothing. I've said the same about evolution and you come back with the argument that we have fossils, I have the written word of God and it doesn't matter whether you accept it or not. My relationship is with God whom I know and trust not a fibble little voice from outside the family of God. 

Now that God has shown through His word that He is more than one individual and because we can understand from the rest of scripture that the Son and Holy Spirit are the other ones we have established a Trinity from the beginning of the Bible and because the Bible tells us that God is unchanging we can accept that God was a Trinity for all eternity.

Unless you're god..GC, god hasn't shown us shit.  Are you god, GC..it would be good to know..and that would explain a hell of alot......but if you are..how come you didn;t know that your chosen people were henotheists?  It seems like something god would know.  I don't see anything in genesis about "jesus".  Maybe you were talking to Baruch and you just forgot.being so long ago?  Have you informed the jews......?

Again more of your childishness, you can't even make a poor argument, and yes Jesus is mentioned in two places in the first three chapters of Genesis. Try and learn somethings about the scriptures before you get into arguing then and making yourself look foolish.

You wanted logic for the Trinity, you now have it and because I'm sure you missed it I will restate it, the three have always been and will always be because God is unchanging and God established from the beginning of time that he is a truine God and no matter how you want to see things this is the way it is and you can't change it one bit no matter what you would like it to be.

From the beginning of time....?  Well, time must have began just a short while ago, what with magic book having been written a scant few thousand years back.

 You are correct time started a few thousand years ago and the book isn't magic. It is a common sense book to help God's people to grow in a relationship with Him and it's there for the ones who want to find Him and for those who do not care it has value that you can't comprehend.

GC