Objective/subjective morals

[Simon Moon]

I only believe objective morals can exist with the existence of god otherwise everything is subjective, so this is where the atheist is screwed. 9/11, the three standard perceptions you can have with the moral compass and lack therof is 1. Evil action. 2. just a action(good and evil doesn't exist) 3. good action. Whichever one you pick for your subjective truth there is still two delusions that you're subjectivelyperceiving on a subconscious level. When bypassing the usa law and going straight to the theory there is no chief in command to dictate the absolute answer so all 3 of these perceptions(even though they cancel each other out) are valid with the theory for the individual that wants to perceive it differently than you. All 3 of these perceptions are impossible to be wrong with the theory but you're perceiving two of the answers as delusions so this is a contradiction within itself. If there are two delusion that are compatible with your theory then it means you don't even believe the theory is 100% truthful 100% factual on subconscious levels. That's whats behind the atheist mask of fact, logic, reason, science, intelligence,.They are all sitting on a subjective truth accompanied by two subjective delusion on a subconscious level which means they don't even believe it, It's all a mask to deny god while playing dumb that god doesn't exist.

I am one of the few atheists here that accept that there is a source of objective morality, that does not need a god.

First of all, morality based on a god's edicts is not objective. A god could change his mind on what is moral (slavery in the Bible, anyone?). Morality that comes from divine command theory, is not objective. They are subjective to what the god decides is moral.

Here is a model of secular morality that is objective.

I define morality as what is best for well being and the opportunity to flourish for humans and arguably, other sentient beings.

It is an objective fact, that we all live in the same physical universe, subjected the the same physical laws, with the same (with minor differences) physical bodies and minds. This is the objective basis to base morality on.

It is a fact, that the vast majority of humans think that: life is preferable to death, health is preferable to disease, comfort is preferable to torture, freedom is preferable to slavery, etc.

Add to this, a bit of empathy, and there is nothing else needed to form moral societies.


If you want to know why crashing planes into the World Trade Center and killing 3000 people was an evil act, just ask yourself, "how did this act effect the well being of those 3000 people?". Or, "would I like to have been one of the victims?".