Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil

[Catholic_Lady]

Lol that's where you're wrong,
trans women =/= men dressing up as women.
Seriously. Half the debate would be solved if everyone was on the same page. For those of you that aren't up to date, the only issue remaining is whether the trans women are weakened enough to the level of a normal women in order to compete, I'd trust the medical professionals on that but apparently some people think they need to be much further weakened, they don't know up to what degree but probably up to a degree where it's impossible for them to win anything.

You still can't really compensate for all physiological differences, like the fact that women have wider hips, higher body fat content, or are naturally shorter. These are very important to consider when you're at a high level of sport!

The thought of intentionally 'weakening' an athlete is cruel. It goes so strongly against the nature of competitive sport. I can give it some more thought when I have more time, because I've never thought of this academically. I'm just going on pure common sense from ~10 years of competing, and my understanding of the whole spirit of competitive athletics. I haven't read the whole thread, but has anyone provided an actual academic study on the effect of hormone treatment on a man's athletic capability? I think that would be relevant here. I can search academic journals about this later today if no one else has something credible.

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I made my post about how we trained with the guys in running *before* I saw this post lol.

I think as runners we definitely have a better awareness of the biophysical differences between men and women, athletically, because we train together and because we can measure someone's ability exactly since it's all measured by time.

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Yes, exactly. It's like the two categories train relatively the same, but margins in track are so refined that it wouldn't make any sense at all to run them together at all in competition. Since it's measured so precisely, the difference becomes clear.

Out of curiosity, what track events do/did you compete in? I think you said you ran cross country, so I'm assuming long or middle distance?

Yeah, in running, body shape is very important and men's frames are much more ideal. Longer legs, larger lungs, and narrower hips (and of course, more muscle mass and bone density)

I remember the girl who held our school's record in cross from the 1980's (about 20 years prior to when I was in school), her time was still slower than most of our current varsity guys.

I was in cross country, yes, and in track I did mid distance. So, the 400 and 800. But that was back in the day when I was in school. I don't do comparative running anymore, just run for exercise now a days.

You?