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Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
(March 2, 2018 at 11:21 am)Hammy Wrote: So to sum it all up... even if transwomen always beat ciswomen.... it doesn't matter. Transwomen are women too, and if the alternative is banning all transwomen or forcing them to play with men when they're not men they're women.... then that's immoral and unjustified and the only possible motive is bigotry.

If only blonde haired women won at women's sports, would you ban blonde haired women from playing? If them dyeing their hair had no effect, and it was the fact they were born a blonde that made them win, would you still ban them? If they were even matched with the men would you force them to play with the men?

I think this is all very silly. Women winning women's sports is normal. The fact that someone is trans or cis is irrelevant. The fact any particular sub category of a group always wins doesn't make them not part of the group.  Everyone is part of the group, no one is cheating and to divide people up between trans/cis is just plain fucking wrong. Whether someone is trans or cis is wholly irrelevant. They're female, so they get to play with females.

And this is all to say even if transwomen always won.... that doesn't matter it's women playing and winning and fair is fair. That is not to say that they always do. The point is it's irrelevant.

It's not transwomen winning in women's sports.... it's women winning in women's sports. Trans/cis is irrelevant. And that is what everyone needs to takeaway from this, lest they be correctly labelled transphobic. It would be like finding out more black people than white people win and boxing, and that being seen as a problem.... the race someone is when they win is irrelevant. Whether someone is trans or cis is equally irrelevant. The group is categorized via gender and not via trans/cis. Just as men's boxing is men's boxing.... you don't have black male boxing and white male boxing.

What if Mike Tyson identified as a woman with a manly body who wanted to keep his body as is and not do any hormone treatment? If you don't let him compete with the women, you're basically telling him that he's not a woman and you are humiliating him. That's bigotry by your logic, no? A woman with a penis who has undergone no surgery or hormone treatments is still a woman. Why isn't it transphobic to not let them compete? Would you let him compete even though you're pretty much guaranteed to have several bio women ending up in caskets at Tyson's hands? I think you are well meaning and really do think you think you are fighting against bigotry, but in reality you are actually the one that is being sexist/ anti-women.
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RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil - by FFaith - March 2, 2018 at 2:05 pm

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