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Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
(March 3, 2018 at 4:25 pm)Hammy Wrote:
(March 3, 2018 at 9:58 am)shadow Wrote: There are physiological differences between men and women that can't be reversed. Body shape, height, bone structure and length, body fat content, strength of ligaments and tendons, muscle mass, and oxygen carrying capacity through higher hemoglobin levels... these are still factors. I was assuming you'd read this because I brought it up earlier.

Which would be fair enough if men were competing with women.

But if a woman gets to be a certain strength or have certain abilities... she can't be thrown out for cheating just for being too talented.

Cheating is taking performance enhancing drugs, not being trans or cis. Just like being black or white or Chinese isn't cheating either. It's for women to compete, not for a certain genetically type of person to compete. If certain genetic categories had to compete we'd be dividing people up by race too. And dividing trans by cis is wrong for the same reason that dividing black and white is wrong.

Women should compete in the women's category, and not be forced into the men's category for winning too much.

Last I checked, sex change surgery isn't cheating.

No, you don't choose your genetics. You choose to change genders. That's why you could easily abuse it.

I really think it would help for you to have some understandings of the difference between the men's and women's categories and just how distinct they are.

These are the times of the competitors in the 100 metre finals from the last summer olympics:

Men
9.81
9.89
9.91
9.93
9.94
9.96
10.04
10.06

Women
10.71
10.83
10.86
10.86
10.90
10.92
10.94
11.80

This is from the 200 metre dash:

Men
19.78
20.02
20.12
20.12
20.13
20.19
20.23
20.43

Women
21.78
21.88
22.15
22.21
22.31
22.34
22.65
22.69

And the 400 metre dash:

Men
43.03
43.76
43.85
44.01
44.25
44.36
44.45
44.61

Women
49.44
49.51
49.85
50.34
50.41
50.97
51.24
51.25

Look at these results, fairly typical for competitive athletics (with the exception that the men's 400m was a world record which was awesome!!!!). This spread is perpetuated at all levels of athletics. If a female athlete possessed any of the advantage that a male athlete had, do you see why I'm saying she would be so out of place? She'd dominate. Take the 8th place finisher in the men's 400 metre heat... he'd have to be 5 seconds slower not to win a gold medal in the women's category. 5 seconds is forever in sprints... I cannot even describe to you how big of a difference that makes. There's a less than 2 second spread between the gold medalist and the 8th place finisher in both of the races: compare it to that.

My point is that a tiny physiological advantage cannot be written off with competitive competition. It's too, well, competitive! I've shown in my last post why much of this advantage would remain, and now I'm showing you why any of it would be a massive upset to the sport. This isn't a matter of subjective evaluation of what's fair, it's a matter of physiology and the very clear benefit that many aspects of male physiology have on performance.
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RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil - by shadow - March 3, 2018 at 5:00 pm

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