RE: Fear of hell, advice please
March 5, 2018 at 2:25 am
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2018 at 2:33 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 4, 2018 at 6:16 pm)haig Wrote: OK to be honest I have no idea what you are talking about. If god did not create heaven for the afterlife relgious folks and hell for the bad non believers, then who did?
It's not an answerable question n any general sense. There are different narratives for how some heaven or hell..or an afterlife without either heaven or hell, if there is an afterlife i the narrative in question, came to be. There are different narratives for how the gods came to be, for that matter.
In any case, while it may be an article of some christians faith that the god they believe in created heaven and hell, the actual existence of a heaven or a hell would not need to be posited for there to be a god, or..depending on how ecumenical you're willing to be, even the christian god.
Imagine god is supposed top be a baseball hat. Imagine this baseball hat is said to be red. If it turned out that the baseball hat were green....then only half of that proposition was inaccurate. There is a baseball hat, it's just not red. Similarly, if there is a god, and he is said to have created heaven and hell..and it turns out that there is a god but no heaven and no hell then only half of that proposition was inaccurate.
If we're approaching it rationally (lol, I know..I know) then the solitary reason to "become an atheist"..for a believer, is to lose ones beliefs in -gods-...not losing ones belief in afterlives or the factual accuracy of NDE accounts. Moving between them is a non-sequitur. If there are no afterlives or "real" NDE's..then there are no afterlives or "real" NDE's. Not, if there are no afterlives or NDE's, there are no gods. It doesn't work the other way either. If there are gods, then there are gods. Not, if there are gods, then there are afterlives and real NDE's (every human being on earth could be missing the real god™ ). There is no logical, or mythological relationship of necessity between either of these two beliefs. Because of this, ruling out one does not and cannot rule out the other in and of itself.
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