(March 6, 2018 at 1:08 pm)emjay Wrote:(March 6, 2018 at 12:51 pm)polymath257 Wrote: And my position is that with all of these things, the phenomenal aspects would be there automatically: that they are part of how the brain functions. I have a first person experience because it is *my* brain that is doing things.
I just can't get to that in my thinking... not saying I think you're wrong or anything... I just can't get there. Maybe I'm just thinking about it wrong... probably... I just can't see anything, at all, that implies the necessity for it. That for instance a PZ would still 'scream' if it was in 'pain'... pain would still be represented neurally and the physical manifestations of it would still be detected and processed by other PZ's... no different physically than with phenomenal consciousness.
Exactly. And that PZ's brain would 'experience' that pain, right? I.e, produce that experience?
