RE: Fear of hell, advice please
March 7, 2018 at 5:43 am
(This post was last modified: March 7, 2018 at 5:45 am by Fake Messiah.)
(March 7, 2018 at 4:49 am)Little Rik Wrote:(March 7, 2018 at 4:34 am)orthodox-man Wrote: guys, I have read some of the Japanese accounts, they are very similar to Christian ones, but usually consist of no deities. I also read a search for Muslim NDEs by Kreps, where he collects a few, but even he says he would have expected many meetings with Muhammad in these NDEs as people report dreams with him or visions of him, so again, I don't get why they cannot hallucinate him. How can you guys be so confident these NDEs are not real?
Simple.
If atheists would admit that NDEs are real the atheist chariot would collapse and disintegrate in no time.![]()
Sooner or later it will collapse anyway but the longer it keep on the road the longer the fantasy keep alive.
Actually, LR, atheists know more about NDE then you or religious persons that take it for granted, like this article in Scientific American
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...ear-death/
Not all is understood, of course, but enough is to make it clear that the dying or oxygen-deprived brain is probably behind these events. For example, the tunnel of light that many dying or distressed people have reported seeing is likely nothing more than the tunnel vision that occurs when the eyes don't get enough blood and oxygen. Researchers have also found that some drugs can trigger hallucinations and out-of-body experiences.
When it comes to eternal life it is not closed for atheists, because in few years or decades we may all may become immortal with cloned organs ready to be replaced and micro robots repairing us.
On the other hand existence after death that religious leaders have been selling us for as long as there has been religion is a terribly destructive hope if it leads people to demand less of themselves in this life because they expect more after they die and don't actually involve more in science.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"