Have you ever asked yourself why all the NDE's are so different? I mean really stop and think about it. Why would everyone's experience be different? Yet that's exactly what we see. Very different experiences. And that's just among the Christian NDE's. We haven't gotten into the Hindu NDE's (and yes, Hindu NDE's exist) Or the Japanese or Chinese NDE's.

Also like I tried to explain NDE is big industry in US that is predominantly Christian, Muslims are not that much into NDE, just like some Christian denominations are into Marian apparitions and reliquies from angels while other denominations don't care about it.

Americans are also interested in reincarnation so therefore there are also vivid memories and books about it. One of the best examples is Virginia Tighe who was the poster child for "past life regression" in the 1950s when, under hypnosis, she spoke of being the reincarnation of a 19th century Irish woman named Bridey Murphy. Her story was published in a bestseller book, The Search for Bridey Murphy, in 1956 and was a sensation, becoming a best seller. A Hollywood movie was made the same year. Suddenly everyone believed in reincarnation and in hypnotic past life regression.
Now what's interesting about Tighe is that she never believed a word of the reincarnation story and even refused to give permission for her name to be used in the book, so it used a fake name. And yet despite all that millions of people believed it was true, because they want to believe and therefore rationalize that, although she said it's a lie made up by her doctor, it must be true and kept buying the book.

Or the one that's making rounds now James Leininger, born in April 1998, is the subject of books and TV shows and countless articles citing him as proof of reincarnation, bolstered by an assailable mountain of "undeniable proof".

guys, I have read some of the Japanese accounts, they are very similar to Christian ones, but usually consist of no deities. I also read a search for Muslim NDEs by Kreps, where he collects a few, but even he says he would have expected many meetings with Muhammad in these NDEs as people report dreams with him or visions of him, so again, I don't get why they cannot hallucinate him. How can you guys be so confident these NDEs are not real?

(March 7, 2018 at 4:34 am)orthodox-man Wrote: but even he says he would have expected many meetings with Muhammad in these NDEs as people report dreams with him or visions of him, so again, I don't get why they cannot hallucinate him. How can you guys be so confident these NDEs are not real?

They don't have shit like this regarding Mohamed all over the place that makes you hallucinate

(March 7, 2018 at 4:34 am)orthodox-man Wrote: guys, I have read some of the Japanese accounts, they are very similar to Christian ones, but usually consist of no deities. I also read a search for Muslim NDEs by Kreps, where he collects a few, but even he says he would have expected many meetings with Muhammad in these NDEs as people report dreams with him or visions of him, so again, I don't get why they cannot hallucinate him. How can you guys be so confident these NDEs are not real?

Simple.

If atheists would admit that NDEs are real the atheist chariot would collapse and disintegrate in no time.  

Sooner or later it will collapse anyway but the longer it keep on the road the longer the fantasy keep alive.  

(March 7, 2018 at 4:49 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(March 7, 2018 at 4:34 am)orthodox-man Wrote: guys, I have read some of the Japanese accounts, they are very similar to Christian ones, but usually consist of no deities. I also read a search for Muslim NDEs by Kreps, where he collects a few, but even he says he would have expected many meetings with Muhammad in these NDEs as people report dreams with him or visions of him, so again, I don't get why they cannot hallucinate him. How can you guys be so confident these NDEs are not real?

Simple.

If atheists would admit that NDEs are real the atheist chariot would collapse and disintegrate in no time.  

Sooner or later it will collapse anyway but the longer it keep on the road the longer the fantasy keep alive.  

NDE's are real experiences.... But still meaningless experiences. People can imagine all sorts of strange stuff under the influence of medication, when you have been conditioned to see certain things it's not surprising that some people see certain things, couple that with a large dose of wishful thinking and Bob's your uncle Fanny's your aunt.