(March 9, 2018 at 4:49 pm)Succubus Wrote:(March 9, 2018 at 1:39 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don't disagree.
Respect and kudos.
(March 9, 2018 at 2:04 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: None, of that matters. If you are making a claim, then you have a share in the burden of proof for what you are claiming. You don't get a free pass, as long as you feel that your claims do not surpass the opposition. It doesn't work that way.
Many of you guys, for being so quick to bring up the B.O.P. for others, work really hard to get out of it yourselves. It appears that there are a bunch of pseudo-skeptics!
Then you do a one eighty???
To what are you referring to (that you think I did a 180)?
On one hand you have those who are not making a claim, except perhaps about their own metal state (lacking belief). This isn't making any statement about objective reality outside of themselves, and has no burden of proof.
On the other hand, you have anyone who making a claim, they have a burden of proof for that claim (at least if you expect to persuade others).
The burden of proof is not inherent to any group, nor is any group by nature exempt from the burden of proof. It has to do with the immediate context and discussion and whoever is not making a claim.
I don't understand why this is so difficult. As I said before; it seems that those who are so quick to cite and misuse the BOP, then are quick to turn around, and try to justify why they don't need justification for their own claims.
I'm curious what you are disagreeing with?
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther