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Disproving the christian (and muslim) god
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RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god
(March 12, 2018 at 11:50 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(March 12, 2018 at 2:48 am)Grandizer Wrote: The Old Testament makes no prediction that the Messiah would be born of a virgin woman,
You mean other than the obvious one?
Quote:Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. - Isaiah 7:14

Yes, other than this one, which is a bad translation of the Hebrew verse. Leave it to "Matthew" to misinterpret the verse just to promote a later Christian doctrine which wasn't adhered to by Paul or "Mark".

Besides, this had nothing to do with a far future Messianic event. Perhaps you should read the verse itself within its immediate context.

Quote:How about this one:
Quote:And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. - Genesis 3:15

Not good enough. Too vague, and it's not even a Messianic verse. Again, ask the Jews.

Quote:Here God is speaking to the serpent and he mentions the seed of the woman, normally women do not have seed, the seed comes from the man. God gave the woman a seed, which was Jesus Christ through the virgin birth.

I don't care what your pastor told you about this verse last Sunday. You're misinterpreting words, and in doing so, misinterpreting the verses containing these words. Just to suit your theological agenda.

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(March 12, 2018 at 2:48 am)Grandizer Wrote: be crucified for our sins,
Quote:But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. - Isaiah 53:5

And yet nothing about the act of crucifixion itself. But putting that aside, it's not challenging for anyone claiming to be the Messiah to be seen as having fulfilled such a passage once they're dead. So even if the whole passage was about the Messiah, and this is debatable among the Jews, it's not exclusive/risky enough to make for a good potential prophecy.

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(March 12, 2018 at 2:48 am)Grandizer Wrote: and then rise from the dead three days later.
Quote:For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. - Psalm 16:10

In other words he'd raise hum up before his body started to decay, which is within 72 hours (3 days).

Dude, quit insulting my intelligence.

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(March 12, 2018 at 2:48 am)Grandizer Wrote: If you don't believe me, again, ask the Jews. They would know the Tanakh better than you do.

Who exactly do you thing wrote the New Testament?

Mostly Gentiles. You know that, right?
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Messages In This Thread
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by Chad32 - March 7, 2018 at 12:30 pm
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by haig - March 8, 2018 at 3:34 pm
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by Silver - March 11, 2018 at 1:38 am
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by Grandizer - March 13, 2018 at 4:33 am
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by chimp3 - March 13, 2018 at 6:31 am
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by chimp3 - March 13, 2018 at 7:14 am
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by chimp3 - March 13, 2018 at 7:57 pm
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by Aegon - March 12, 2018 at 11:59 am
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by Aegon - March 12, 2018 at 1:19 pm
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by Silver - March 11, 2018 at 7:16 pm
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by Aegon - March 15, 2018 at 10:57 am
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by Aegon - March 15, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by Aegon - March 15, 2018 at 3:01 pm
RE: Disproving the christian (and muslim) god - by Silver - March 15, 2018 at 8:53 am

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