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Explaining What Happens After Death
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RE: Explaining What Happens After Death
(March 31, 2018 at 3:58 am)ArtVandelay Wrote:
Quote:What is it that makes you think consciousness is anywhere but a brain?

Several articles I've recently read. I will link one specifically: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014...ver-of-it/ I will link more if need be. Nor am I suggesting the source is trustworthy per se.



Quote:Please tell us, in your opinion why you think consciousness can live independently outside the host body?


I'm saying my definition on what consciousness is has changed. I am not saying emphatically that it can live outside your body. Logically, I would think that it could not. But since the definition is so varied, I can't seem to pin down a consensus idea of what consciousness is.

At least your link isn't quote mining Wigner.  Eugene Wigner believed that the observation of photons affected their movement.  His conclusion was that countiousness must exist outside the brain in order to effect the photons. See: http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/experiments/wigners_friend/

The refutation is simple.  Observation reveals  whether the cat is alive or dead.  It doesn't actally cause the result. 
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  • Since Wigner does not know the actual outcome, he only knows the possibilities and can estimate ordinary probabilites, for example, that there is a 75% chance the cat is dead and 25% probability the cat is alive.


  • But here is the resolution of Wigner's paradox. These probabilities are no longer about superposed quantum states interfering with one another. They are no longer quantumprobabilities. The cat is either dead or alive! The chances are no longer ontological. They are epistemic, just human ignorance.


  • So Wigner is wrong to conclude that the cat remains in a quantum superposition of live and dead cat states.


  • Nor was the cat ever in such a superposition! After all, the cat in animate - and conscious. It was our calculations of nuclear decay that used the quantum superposition as our best estimates. And it was important to include the possible interference effects while the wave functions (for the decaying nucleus) were still coherent. Once we get information about the nuclear decay, the wave functions decohered and we must switch to "classical" probabilities.
 
http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/wigner/
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Explaining What Happens After Death - by ArtVandelay - March 31, 2018 at 2:56 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Brian37 - March 31, 2018 at 9:19 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Succubus - March 31, 2018 at 9:40 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Little Rik - April 1, 2018 at 9:22 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by robvalue - March 31, 2018 at 3:09 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Jenny A - March 31, 2018 at 3:23 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by ignoramus - March 31, 2018 at 3:45 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by ArtVandelay - March 31, 2018 at 3:51 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by ArtVandelay - March 31, 2018 at 3:58 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Grandizer - March 31, 2018 at 5:01 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Jenny A - March 31, 2018 at 10:15 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by sdelsolray - April 1, 2018 at 11:47 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by ArtVandelay - March 31, 2018 at 4:05 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by robvalue - March 31, 2018 at 4:20 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by ignoramus - March 31, 2018 at 5:38 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by zebo-the-fat - March 31, 2018 at 6:43 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by ignoramus - March 31, 2018 at 6:56 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2018 at 7:09 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by zebo-the-fat - March 31, 2018 at 8:37 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by brewer - March 31, 2018 at 7:34 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Pat Mustard - March 31, 2018 at 8:22 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Whateverist - March 31, 2018 at 10:48 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Minimalist - March 31, 2018 at 12:26 pm
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Mr.wizard - April 1, 2018 at 10:22 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by chimp3 - April 1, 2018 at 11:57 am
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Minimalist - April 1, 2018 at 1:09 pm
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Angrboda - April 1, 2018 at 1:20 pm
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Succubus - April 1, 2018 at 9:14 pm
RE: Explaining What Happens After Death - by Minimalist - April 1, 2018 at 9:58 pm

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