(April 7, 2018 at 7:27 pm)Wololo Wrote:(April 7, 2018 at 4:27 pm)chimp3 Wrote: It is a program that works for some. If it saves a few lives, what harm can a recommendation do. Without revealing too much personal info, NA helped me immensely in the 90's. Helped me to save my own life. The god thing was downplayed. We used to call Christian 12 steppers "13 Steppers". We discretely mocked those that converted "higher power" to "higher Jesus". We had Wiccans, atheists, and First Peoples that invited us to sweat lodges. It works if you work it! However, beware of 12 step programs in fundie churches. Go to the ones held in parks, rehab centers, coffee shops. Seek out like minded individuals.
When it's own data says it is objectively worse than doing nothing (which doesn't even come up to placebo itself), and as a result it refuses to publish the data for thirty years, then I say; yeah AA needs to be fucked out on its ear.
It's like allowing homeopathy in hospitals because on rare occasions sufferers get better after being administered sterilised water.
Data please.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
