(April 8, 2018 at 6:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote: You need to fully research into everything including the objections that the paranormal researchers address.
Incorrect. The person making the claim has the duty to support it. Produce your evidence and we will then evaluate it.
For myself, I think you are stuffed full of wild blueberry muffins but you have a chance to produce your evidence if you wish.
( P.S. "I don't know so maybe" is not evidence.)
(April 8, 2018 at 6:11 pm)possibletarian Wrote:(April 8, 2018 at 5:47 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: But how you determine whether there really is evidence or not for the paranormal is through taking this long journey. You need to fully research into everything including the objections that the paranormal researchers address. Once you've researched into everything, then you can finally determine for sure whether there really is evidence or not. But, in the meantime, we don't know for sure and there are no shortcuts to determine whether there really is evidence for these things or not. Skeptics say there is no evidence for the paranormal while the researchers say there is. This disagreement is only merely the very beginning of the journey. It is the opening of the door of your own home and going outside, if you will. From there, you must embark on the full journey to arrive at the final destination.
You look at it and decide it's creditability, if it's not credible or testable it's rejected.. simple. Otherwise why not accept any crackpot idea?
No long journey or path needed.
Personally, I think the whole evaluation process is a long journey since this isn't a debate between smart people and really dumb people. It is a debate between smart people and smart people. If it was the former, then, yes, we could draw a conclusion by means of a shortcut. But if it's the latter, then this requires a long and thorough journey of looking at all the objections and research to draw the right conclusion. To take the shortcut would be treating these intelligent paranormal researchers as dumb people in denial of simple facts. That is why we shouldn't take the shortcut. I realize there was a quote by Sam Harris one member made earlier. This is an example of one of these shortcuts skeptics pull.
But I still just don't know whether what he said is the nail in the coffin for these paranormal researchers or not because I realize how smart and trained these paranormal researchers are and, thus, my mind remains open to their points of view. I don't think this is a matter of keeping my mind so open my brains fall out. I just think that people who are intelligent and have had a lot of education and training should be given much more open-mindedness than what skeptics let on. The same can be said in regards to the paranormal researchers needing to keep more of an open mind to the skeptics since there are many highly intelligent and well trained skeptics out there, too.