(April 8, 2018 at 9:39 pm)haig Wrote:(April 8, 2018 at 8:39 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I never said these researchers had actual evidence. All I said was that they claim they have actual evidence and, since they are smart researchers who have had a lot of training and education, then we should not dismiss their claims of evidence through the types of shortcuts skeptics use to dismiss their claims. Rather, we should do full research in order to arrive at the right conclusion as to whether these researchers have real evidence or not.Please provide details. Have you vetted what they say about their education? Have you investigated their claims?
Skeptics dismiss their claims without evidence because we already know paranormal claims are crapola. We don't need to investigate, the evidence will always be falsified. When investigations are done, the evidence has always been found to be falsified. Why would any other paranormal event be different?
The paranormal researchers would say their claimed evidence has not been demonstrated as false and that the skeptics are just being close minded when saying that their evidence is false.
(April 8, 2018 at 9:50 pm)possibletarian Wrote:(April 8, 2018 at 8:39 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I never said these researchers had actual evidence. All I said was that they claim they have actual evidence and, since they are smart researchers who have had a lot of training and education, then we should not dismiss their claims of evidence through the types of shortcuts skeptics use to dismiss their claims. Rather, we should do full research in order to arrive at the right conclusion as to whether these researchers have real evidence or not.
Well isn't it simple? Let them present their evidence to the scientific community. That is the one (and only) way to see if their claims of having evidence are real or not.
Again, the paranormal researchers would say that the mainstream scientific community is close minded. So, I do not trust them.
(April 8, 2018 at 9:52 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:(April 8, 2018 at 8:39 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I never said these researchers had actual evidence. All I said was that they claim they have actual evidence and, since they are smart researchers who have had a lot of training and education, then we should not dismiss their claims of evidence through the types of shortcuts skeptics use to dismiss their claims. Rather, we should do full research in order to arrive at the right conclusion as to whether these researchers have real evidence or not.There is a scientific process for a reason. It defines the reality in which we live.
If there is actually "any" evidence of the paranormal, that evidence should be able to stand up to the scientific method. If not, it's pure hooey.
There is also more than the scientific method. There is reasoning and logic. The paranormal researchers not only claim that they have used the scientific method in coming up with their claimed evidence, but that the skeptics are using flawed/close minded reasoning and logic.