RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
April 9, 2018 at 1:14 pm
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2018 at 1:16 pm by polymath257.)
(April 9, 2018 at 11:43 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:(April 9, 2018 at 11:15 am)Whateverist Wrote: The troll is simply repeating the same script quoting but entirely ignoring points made against that same script. I'm done.
I think I have addressed those quoted posts through what I said. I just personally think that human beings tend to limit themselves to only one particular view through shortcut methods rather than embarking on the full journey of knowledge and truth. Almost every religious believer, philosopher, paranormal believer, and skeptic use these shortcut methods. I think this was the wrong way of doing it and I explain new things in regards to why that is in that post.
(April 9, 2018 at 11:40 am)polymath257 Wrote: Most of this is simply complaining that the same standards used in every other area of science are used with paranormal research. Yes, the evidence has to be strong enough to convince skeptics. Yes, extraordinary claims (those that contradict well-established scientific principles--not simply 'strongly held beliefs') require extraordinary evidence.
Again, the fact is that *every* time paranormal phenomena are tested in a properly controlled environment, they fail to show up. There is a million dollar reward for anyone who can set up an experiment that tests these ideas in a controlled setting and actually manages to show them. Many have attempted to do so. None have succeeded. Many frauds have been exposed. That is sufficient evidence for me at this point.
I see you have come up with yet another objection/shortcut in that last paragraph of yours. So, what I would ask from there is, are you just being close minded here and drawing a hasty conclusion? Or are there objections to this as well out there that you are just not keeping an open mind to?
No. I have looked at the suggested evidence, I have looked into the attempts to prove a paranormal, I have studied the physics and the tests done to show it correct. None of the evidence for a paranormal is anywhere close to the strength needed to prove it, or even suggest it needs more study.
(April 9, 2018 at 1:08 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:(April 9, 2018 at 1:05 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Intelligent people are perfectly capable of clinging to stupid ideas. Case example..paranormal researchers.
Well, I have no way of knowing if it is instead the skeptics who are intelligent people clinging to the stupid idea that we are just biological machines with only one life to live or if it is instead the paranormal researchers who are clinging to a stupid idea. Again, I think it requires full research in order to determine who is the intelligent person clinging to a stupid, false idea. Or maybe there are shortcuts that we can use to determine this. I really don't know. I am, for now, just arguing against the idea that we can use shortcuts.
And maybe planets only orbit because of angles pushing them. It is *possible* that at some future point we will realize such to be the case.
But I'm not betting on it. Nor do I think it reasonable to study the possibility.