(April 11, 2018 at 1:34 am)Lutrinae Wrote:(April 11, 2018 at 1:25 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes, thank you lol. It is a pet peeve of mine when some people on this forum try to act as though other animals are the same as humans when it comes to morality. It's dishonest, because no one actually believes that, they just like to say it.
I have 7 cats and am an animals lover.
Feeling scared when they did something they've been *trained* not to do is not morality. It's operant conditioning.
And I never said animals don't experience emotions or aren't sentient. That's not the same as having moral responsibility and being morally culpable for actions. This conversation is so silly.
Operant conditioning? Sounds like every day human life to me. "Hi, how are you?" "Good" That's conditioning.
I actually work toward eradicating that conditioning, which I suppose makes me non-human.
If my cats get sprayed with a water bottle every time they're on the table, they're going to be scared when I catch them on the table because they don't want to be sprayed (conditioning). Not because they are able to comprehend that they did something unethical.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
