(April 11, 2018 at 6:54 pm)SteveII Wrote:(April 11, 2018 at 5:26 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I'm just chuckling at how simplistic this all is.
If I think Rob has a dog, but find no evidence of a dog, that doesn't mean he must therefore have a cat. Several other possibilities exist, including him actually owning a dog and being particular about hiding evidence for it.
So, if a natural event doesn't have a yet known natural cause, that doesn't mean the cause must be the supernatural. Several other possibilities exist, including a yet undiscovered natural cause for that event.
There's no need for equations or anything, just a basic grasp of what a very obvious fallacy is.
For your point to mean anything, you need to discuss the supernatural in vague terms. However, you have just erected a straw man because that is not how people who believe in the supernatural consider this question AT ALL.
Look at the example above. If Jesus did do this thing in the context described, are you still going to hide behind "undiscovered natural causes?" No, only an idiot would think that. So what you have to say is that these events did not exist. Notice you are not really making the same argument you claim to be.
And for your point to mean anything, you need to believe in the Jesus myth. Of which, regarding miracles and magic, there is absolutely 0 evidence of.
You’re doing the same thing you always do - attempt to make the fantastic elements of your faith real through poor arguments (starting from “If this actually happened...” is laughably weak) and a litany of ‘reasons’ that are all rooted in one fallacy or another.
Again, you think you’re some learned scholar, yet you can’t even hack it with the basics. You need to establish your premise - that Jesus existed and performed these acts exactly as described in the Bible - before moving towards your conclusion. Instead, just like every theist, you presuppose the conclusion (what Jesus did was evidence of the supernatural) and then try to contort the premise(s) so that it logically follows.
I am distinctly unimpressed.
Clearly demonstrate that Jesus actually did this miraculous thing (hint: THE BIBLE IS THE CLAIM), and then come back to us regarding the supernatural. Otherwise you’re simply mentally masturbating, and that’s something I feel you should do in private.