Why the vision argument is a very good one!

[Mystic]

What I may have agreed is that the neural pathways don't have the concept of value in them... but, as with most of our mental activities, on a highly abstracted way, they (some of them, at least) contribute to what we consider to be the attribute of value towards a particular thing, towards ourselves and towards other people.



I will agree that this highly abstracted mental state of value attribution is present in most humans, if not all.

The issue is not that our brains don't contribute to value, even if they didn't, I would not be assuming in the argument it's impossible. Rather I am saying the detail exact measured you is beyond the capability of the brain. The brain can only generate an estimate of who you are, yet who you are must exist in accurate manner.  But that manner is not physical thing, it's value is linked with perception, and so you exist through perception of perceiver. I further argued that the exact value can only be given by a perfect absolute judge who knows this exactly as they are. 

Your brain for example, doesn't know every single angle of measurement to your actions. It has an estimate.

I agree that, as a society, we've come to agree, even if implicitly, upon some larger than zero value of any other human beings.
This societal agreement can be viewed, from the individual's point of view, as a value seemingly imposed by an outside influence. In other words, human value can seem to be objective; it can feel to be objective; it can feel like you have no choice upon the matter, as if it had been imposed unto you, unto me, unto everyone!
But has it really been imposed?

I think love is impossible, misguided or guided, to exist without firm belief in objective value. Let me know if you disagree and I will explain why.

I think the example of money is a very good one, as it is one that is well known to be of human origin. There is no actual outer influence upon it, just humans.
Is the value of money imposed unto you, me and everyone? Or is it controlled almost imperceptibly by all of us?

Do we need a divine influence to account for "value"?
Or is our brain enough?

This is somewhat circular to go this route.   Money is not an accurate value, it's a relative thing with an objective application, and it's value emerges from an objective value of human life, which people subjectively try to estimate and in my view are constantly underestimating and belittling.  That is why there is concept of justice linked to money and paying fair wages.  This is why poverty has to be combatted. 

We need a divine influence to account for value, more than that, we need the divine's value itself being given to us, eternal light mixed with temporal light.  

Human value is not determined by majority view of humans or some sort of poll, humans ought to realize human value and dignity.

The thing is when you estimate who or other human values of who they are, their detailed beauty, their traits, the image, that is an estimate of something, but that something is beyond our vision. We can't know a person like the Absolute only possible perfect Judge.  If we judge, we will do so ignorantly. No one can know the most evilest or the most good and all between but God.

This proves God because our knowledge of who we are is contingent upon that being existing. We assume beyond the estimate image and blurry vision of our subconscious and conscious, is a real accurate us.

When I was discussing details, I was not merely mentioning them to say you have to know physical stuff, and everything, I'm saying the brain doesn't even know how it physically runs, let alone, all the psychological components that factor to an action for judgment. 

It's not more knowledgeable then us. In fact, nothing can know, if you think about it, this system where we receive our actions upon our necks, is not some easy system. It takes not only the Creator to perceive, but we have to some sort of link that we get a degree of vision from the absolute, or else, our actions would have little meaning and good and evil will become practically non-sense at so many levels.

What I mean by that is that if you become lost in sight and vision of what good and evil is, there still has to be a proof and vision of good and evil as is, with you, for you to be accountable to return.

That word of truth and light, is God's King, who is with every human though they may not perceive.