RE: Near Death Experience Study Opinions?
April 21, 2018 at 5:25 pm
(April 18, 2018 at 8:21 am)Hammy Wrote: (April 18, 2018 at 8:17 am)SaStrike Wrote: Anyway, NDE's are hallucinations.
Or delusions. If experiencing something normal but psychotically concluding that it was weirder than it was, can be considered part of the experience that is, or something.
It's all either delusion, illusion or hallucination. Or perhaps stuff like personality disorders in some case. Altered states of consciousness are very real but they don't imply or suggest anything... they're just weird experiences that don't actually mean anything. Depersonaization and self-splitting is real too, if we're talking experience, if we're talking that things can feel like or seem that way to the self... even if nothing like that is actually going on besides that self-seeming/consciousness.
(April 18, 2018 at 7:51 am)robvalue Wrote: Yup, it will fail every single time under scientific conditions. If you put something high up where the patient can't see it, conscious or not, and then put them under so they can then "float up" and look at it, it will fail. I would put money in it, £100 from me against every £1 from you. Same deal if you decide to nearly kill them so they can have a NDE. That's pretty fucked up, though.
Yeah people are really stupid when they think magical experiences imply magical abilities.
And in a way, the fact experience is non-supernatural and doesn't imply anything really weird or ridiculous just makes magical experiences all the more 'magical' as experiences.
Makes me think of this quote for some reason:
Albert Einstein Wrote:There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is.
He lives Wrote:It is either happenstance (nothing is a miracle) or Intelligent design (miracle). I do not believe it will be long before OBE has been scientifically proven. There is a lot of research being done. Even if it is proven there will be those who will not believe. There are still people who believe that the earth is flat.