Oh no not another free will thread.

[RoadRunner79]

Then you are getting rid of “will” all together; free or otherwise. Likely also getting rid of conscienceness and reason. In which case, you didn’t come to this conclusion through reason.

I don't know how you come to that non-sequtur. Consciousness and will still exists whether it's free or not.

I think you are correct, and that I may have become a bit overzealous in including consciousness. However, in either view I think that if you eliminate free will, that you also eliminate thought and reason. And it’s difficult to argue for a thing, that cuts at the very basis of debate itself.