Civility subsection suggestion

[Catholic_Lady]

So ... since challenging views would be allowed in such a subforum, are the following specific examples considered civil/uncivil? Which is which?

1. Referring to the Bible/Quran as "magic book" or "book of fairy tales".

2. Pointing out to someone that they're being disingenuous, or are incredibly ignorant about a subject they're discussing.

3. Willfully referring to someone as a gender that they clearly do not identify with.

4. Referring to certain views as nonsense/garbage/rubbish, even while seriously addressing the various points being made.

1. Seems like baiting to me. Seems a provocative and detrimental distraction from the point at hand. I would just stick to calling the Quran and the Bible, "Quran and Bible."   

2. Disingenuous is ok if it is an honest attempt at trying to understand the person (good example: "it seems disingenuous when you say _____ because _____."). I would steer clear of calling someone ignorant. It's probably better to say "It doesn't seem like you know this subject very well because _____".   

3. Provocative/baiting  

4. Nonsense seems okish I suppose, I'd avoid calling anyone's views garbage or rubbish though. What good does that do? Much more productive to be like "This is why your views don't make any sense _____."

I'm not saying any of those things specifically should be against a particular rule, though they certainly do chip away at the spirit of the rules which is to have civil discussion.    

The thing is, if you are genuinely wanting to have a productive and good discussion with someone, why would you want to push the boundaries and see just how much you can get away with? Why not just keep things in a way that will be most conducive to a good discussion? If you're trying to push boundaries you're kind of going into it with the wrong attitude. Better stick to the other subforums on AF and not bother requesting to post in the civility subforum.

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So ... since challenging views would be allowed in such a subforum, are the following specific examples considered civil/uncivil? Which is which?

1. Referring to the Bible/Quran as "magic book" or "book of fairy tales".

2. Pointing out to someone that they're being disingenuous, or are incredibly ignorant about a subject they're discussing.

3. Willfully referring to someone as a gender that they clearly do not identify with.

4. Referring to certain views as nonsense/garbage/rubbish, even while seriously addressing the various points being made.

If you have to ask, err on the side of caution and don't say it.

How hard was that?

Some people just seem to have a childish need to push boundaries and see how much they can get away with, I suppose. 

Seriously. The subforum would be specifically for those wanting productive, civil discussion. If you don't want the discussion to be that way, don't post on that subforum. Very simple.