Creationism and Ignorance

[Edwardo Piet]

I am ashamed to say that I have creationist stepbrothers. But I am glad to say that they are no relation to me. There doesn't appear to be any creationist idiocy in my close family's DNA at all.

My cousins are creationists, enough to fill 8-9 large churches in this area alone. Boss Lady says I must have been adopted. 

Pfffft. My cousins are chimpanzees and they don't believe in any kind of God at all.

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I've seen the same out of atheist when they were clearly defeated. Not me but we have Christians here who can stand their ground and do a fine job of leaving an atheist in the dust.

GC

Sure, atheists are equally capable of having no idea what they're talking about and claiming victory repeatedly.

"Clearly defeated" is very subjective though, it's kind of my point.

In my experience atheists tend to not feel the need to declare victory outright. They tend to just refute the stupid theistic arguments so easily (it's not rocket science, even vaguely dumb atheists can defeat them because all the arguments for theism are such poor quality) . . . and it's just blindingly obvious to anyone even the slightest bit logical that the theist got owned. Not declaration of victory required.

Some theists can recognize that some or even most arguments for God fail. Although most of them buy into at least one godawful one.

This is why my favorite theists are the ones that think there are no successful arguments for God and say they have to take it on faith. Sure, they're basically admitting they're so irrational they prioritize faith over logic but at least they're not so stupid to not notice that all the arguments for theism fail.

One of my biggest pet peeves, though, is when a theist not only fails to argue for theism but their argument only argues for deism. So even if we accept their invalid argument's conclusion it still, at most, only proves deism (and sometimes not even that! Sometimes it's just a first cause which is even more pathetic!)... and then they go ahead and add in all that crap about their particular religion afterwards.

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Clearly defeated isn't subjective as long as one takes the facts and reasons with them.

GC

You shouldn't take the facts and "reason with" them... you should reason to the facts. Methinks that what you call "facts" is probably just you starting from your own theistic conclusions. Talk about cart before horse.