(May 24, 2018 at 3:55 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: I think we agree on everything except this single point: an immoral action remains immoral in a godless universe. After all, if morality can be "understood universally through human reason" why is God necessary to distinguish moral values? It seems that all that is necessary is human reason. Thus--to return to your original point--even in a universe that exists by accident, we can discern objective moral values with our capacity of reason alone. No God required.
I completely agree with you that any normal person can know basic morality through human reason. Belief in God is not required for this, and an atheist can be a moral person.
I just don't see how inherent universal moral laws would exist in the first place without the existence of a law giver. If this whole world is just a random accident of purely material stuff, without any sort of intended order or objective purpose, how can the existance of objective moral laws be justified?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
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