(May 25, 2018 at 7:12 am)Narishma Wrote: Hello fellow non-believers,
I registered here to look for assistance on a pretty specific topic. I want to find valid and well researched information on some of the claims that biblical prophets ( e.g. Jesaja, Hesekiel, Amos, Sacharja, Lukas, Apostels) made in regard to the reclamation of Israel. The named prophets are said to have predicted the Jewish Diaspora and also that god will return their ancestral home to them.
When I tried to find some credible information on the internet I usually came across christian websites claiming the validity of these prophecies with loads of Bible quotes. But not a single one that would provide relevant scientific research on the subject.
Why do I even care about that? The reason is a pretty personal one. A friend of mine is a very religious person and I had some pretty heated debates on a variety of subjects with him. Most of the time theses discussions will end with him replying that "I just have to believe or it won't work for you" rebuke. Most religious people I've debated came to that conclusion at some point or another.
But there is one particular topic I don't have enough information on. My friend likes to claim that god already delivered on his promise of returning their ancestral homeland to the Jewish people. And thus all scripture must be true.
Can you help me find the information that I seek?
Hey, go over to the "introductions" section, and introduce yourself. Let us get to know you.
Having said that.
The motif of "seeing the future" is not a patent owned by Christianity nor did they invent it.
Long before even Jews, The ancient Egyptians and Greeks and Romans had people called "oracles" and "seers" and "soothsayers".
It is all superstitious crap. This mythology unfortunately works the same way horoscopes work, the way "psychics" work, the believer, if they want to believe it works badly enough, they will believe it, but do so by seeing patterns in ambiguous words, after the fact and retrofit what they want to be true into it.
BUT, as far as Israel becoming a nation, that is convenient and self fulfilling. Of course you are going to work to making a nation if you believe your God wants that. The worst part for Jews however, is that while Christians claim they are their friends, the book of Revelations DOES NOT have all the Jews going to heaven along with Christians. So basically the conservative Christian interpretation of the story, would be like a Jew being the Limo driver, then when you get to the Cosmic studio 54, the Christian tells you you can't go inside because it is an exclusive club.
Scientific method, say in astrophysics is predictive, the mythology of antiquity, worldwide, back then, was just that, mythology.
Israel didn't become a nation because the the Christian or Jewish God exists. It became one because believers pushed it because of their own desires.
In Greek mythology Apollo got rebuffed by Casandra, so he cursed her with the gift of prophecy but also that even with that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandragift nobody would believe her until it was too late.
Point being, every religion is a spin off and or mix of prior and surrounding motifs. And even if you cant find a direct connection, humans can and do often make the same bad guesses as to the nature of reality, even if they never meet each other.
The Australian Aboriginals, as too the Ancient Chinese had their mythologies about the constellations as did all of the ancient world.
Prophecy is not a real thing, anymore than Big Foot or Tooth Fairy.
