What is your problem with Islam? Think about it

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What is the source of your problems with Islam?

Let's be honest: worldwide there are so many views that make Islam stand back in the queue of strong sentences.

Let's take the Christian Bible: the old testament advocates pedophilia, slavery, and mass murder.
The Jewish Talmud is even more violent, with sentences that include the pouring of molten lead into the mouth of the condemned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Judaism

And execution for grand treason for deserters of the army in secular countries right before 80 years only.

Don't you think that it's quite hypocritical to leave all of that aside, ignore it, and cherry pick the Quran only?
What is the source of your problems with Islam? This is a real question, not sarcastic.

-Is it the brown skin of Arabs?
-Is it the heritage of Arabs?
-Is it xenophobia + Islamophobia?

Because I truly fail to see why the media -and so many biased people- bash Islam for the cultural actions of Middle Eastern people, and ignore in a very rude way the Jewish & Christian insane texts which live up to be worthy of a doctrine for a torture chamber.

God-concepts and the books about god-concepts that advocate killing anybody who doesn't share in the delusion.

That's a misconception enforced by the actions of extremists.

The Quran on the contrary, orders the believers in God not to do so:

Sura 25, The Quran:
( 68 )   And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty.
( 69 )   Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated -

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You come to an atheist forum .And ask what are issue is with a religion .

Yes. I have a message and atheists deserve to hear it: Islam is not what ISIS says it is; it's bigger than that. So you find me here.

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I don't think all religions are the same; it's innate capacity that there are huge differences in the sentences of each religion, and the demands it asks from its followers.

All the differences pale in significance next to their fundamentally identical goal of subordinating the intelligence and judgement of men to the interest of a class of parasites who thrive by making shit up and shoveling shit over the heads of humanity.

I won't generalize like that: the religious institution -just like any "human" institution-, use religion.
But there are good individuals outside the institution who have their own independent morals and opinions, in Christianity, in Judaism, everywhere.

The Quran mentions this:

Sura 3, The Quran:
( 113 )   They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allah during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer].
( 114 )   They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and hasten to good deeds. And those are among the righteous.
( 115 )   And whatever good they do - never will it be removed from them. And Allah is Knowing of the righteous.

So which group are you speaking about? from your comment; you're generalizing on all religious people to be robots.

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Sam Harris did a great bit on this false idea that interpretations for such books are as so wide open:





It's hilarious when people think that it's a reasonable interpretation of a book from the dark ages to insist that lines like "Kill the unbelievers" are metaphors. It's beyond cherry-picking it's full-blown mental gymnastics. Some parts are very, very, very, very clearly literal.


That begs the question as they aren't actually a devout Muslim if they're not actually following their religion. This is the whole point. The extremists are the devout muslims.

Sure, maybe a partial Muslim if they're only following the bits they like. The bits that aren't violent towards nonbelievers and bigoted towards women, for example. So they're ignoring huge parts of their religion, basically.

People are free to interpret their holy book however they see fit, and to follow a faith based on that interpretation. If it is a faith that teaches love and morality, why should I have a problem with it?

Paying the favor back is one noble thing. I agree with you.

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The same problems I have with fundamentalust Christianity or Judaism.: it convinces some of its followers that those who don't hold the same beliefs are inferior and don't have the same rights or even deserve to live.

It create s hate and fanaticism in the minds of its adherents and holds back scientific and social progress.  And, in many ways, it treats women as inferior.

In my opinion, there are two perspectives:

-God's perspective
-The person's perspective

Yes; God's opinion is that a non-believer would go to hell. The human -the person- should never ever impersonate God; a non-believer deserves hell, but who said I'm counted as a believer in the first place? I'm "trying" to be a believer, I'm trying to hold the faith with everything I got, but I didn't see my place in paradise yet. I can go to hell in any moment. Only God judges people to be in heaven or hell.

Personally I think that forgetting that is the moment a believer turns into an extremist. If you think you are saved, then you'll do all wrongs in the world.

All of us are banished from heaven and here to prove ourselves before judgement day. We all deserve an equal chance, men or women.

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I don't think all religions are the same; it's innate capacity that there are huge differences in the sentences of each religion, and the demands it asks from its followers.

Yeah, I agree with this. Saying all religious beliefs are the same is like saying all sets of values are the same. Or all sets of rules are the same. It makes no sense.

Exactly, there's a huge difference for example between Abrahamic religions and Heathen religions, even their categories differ by a wide scale

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People are free to interpret their holy book however they see fit, and to follow a faith based on that interpretation.

That's like claiming that someone who says 2+2=5 is free to claim to be a good mathematician.

The point is they are not following their religion completely if they ignore huge percentages of it.

Here's another video as you didn't address the last one:

If it is a faith that teaches love and morality, why should I have a problem with it?

The point is that it teaches very little love and morality and an awful lot of hate, violence and bigotry and they only avoid that by ignoring it.

They AREN'T following the religion fully unless they truly believe the horrible parts as well. That's my point. The extremist Muslims are the devout ones.

I'm following the religion fully, as much as I can, except things like fasting and constant prayer because of my MS. Even with non-believers I try to apply the Quran as much as I can. I mean read the verse; does it say "slaughter the infedel" ??

Sura 60, The Quran:
( 8 )   Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
( 9 )   Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

This is my religion ! literally don't fight me, and I'll be nice to you. But bully me, or attack me, and I'll kick your ass ! as simple as that.
I think the extremists are the ones who are reading another book, or interpreting the above -as CL said- according to their own opinion.

In both cases; I have eyes and I can read. I will not hurt somebody that didn't hurt me, and the extremist Muslims who sold their souls to anger are wrong.

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My problem with Islam is that is backward, totalitarian, patriarchal, like this for instance that's happening as I write this:

Egyptian Court Blocks Youtube for a Month Due to Controversial Muhammad Video

Wait wait wait..
That's Sisi's Egypt:



This piece of shit is the president of Egypt, he's an army general  -was- and the cause of what Humans Rights Watch described as "one of the world's largest killings of demonstrators in a single day in recent history":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_201...a_massacre

The massacre was against "Islamists" from the "Muslim Brotherhood". This guy is no Muslim; and his court is not even close to Islam.