Islam hasn't done the most damage throughout history. Christianity has. But Islam definitely does the most damage today.

Not to be racist but it's definitely the brown skin of the Arabs I have a problem with.

That and I don't actually believe in god to begin with so Islam meaning submission to god, is something I'd obviously object to on the basis of submitting to a thing I don't have a reason to believe exists.

(May 27, 2018 at 1:36 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Not to be racist but it's definitely the brown skin of the Arabs I have a problem with.

Why is it that people who start with "not to be racist" always say something racist afterwards?

(May 27, 2018 at 1:34 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote: When Muslims claim to practice Islam peacefully they aren't practicing Islam. Islam is not a religion of peace it's a religion of conquest, apostasy and martyrdom. Violence towards non-believers in Islam, and even more violence towards those who leave Islam, is throughout the Koran.

There are many different ways to interpret the Koran and many different flavors of Islam. If someone is a devout Muslim who is practicing his religion peacefully, then Islam is being practiced peacefully lol. Obviously.

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(May 27, 2018 at 1:37 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote:

(May 27, 2018 at 1:36 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Not to be racist but it's definitely the brown skin of the Arabs I have a problem with.

Why is it that people who start with "not to be racist" always say something racist afterwards?

He was kidding.

(May 27, 2018 at 1:12 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote:

(May 27, 2018 at 12:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I have no issue with Islam that I don't have with any other religion.

Same here but some religions are definitely worse than others.

I have one issue with all of them: They're all untrue.

But, extremist Jainism, for instance, is hardly on par with extremist Islam or Extremist Christianity. Some religions definitely cause more harm and do more damage than others.

I don't think all religions are the same; it's innate capacity that there are huge differences in the sentences of each religion, and the demands it asks from its followers.

(May 27, 2018 at 10:35 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: What is the source of your problems with Islam?

Let's be honest: worldwide there are so many views that make Islam stand back in the queue of strong sentences.

Let's take the Christian Bible: the old testament advocates pedophilia, slavery, and mass murder.
The Jewish Talmud is even more violent, with sentences that include the pouring of molten lead into the mouth of the condemned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Judaism

And execution for grand treason for deserters of the army in secular countries right before 80 years only.

Don't you think that it's quite hypocritical to leave all of that aside, ignore it, and cherry pick the Quran only?
What is the source of your problems with Islam? This is a real question, not sarcastic.

-Is it the brown skin of Arabs?
-Is it the heritage of Arabs?
-Is it xenophobia + Islamophobia?

Because I truly fail to see why the media -and so many biased people- bash Islam for the cultural actions of Middle Eastern people, and ignore in a very rude way the Jewish & Christian insane texts which live up to be worthy of a doctrine for a torture chamber.

God-concepts and the books about god-concepts that advocate killing anybody who doesn't share in the delusion.

(May 27, 2018 at 1:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: There are many different ways to interpret the Koran and many different flavors of Islam.

Sam Harris did a great bit on this false idea that interpretations for such books are as so wide open:





It's hilarious when people think that it's a reasonable interpretation of a book from the dark ages to insist that lines like "Kill the unbelievers" are metaphors. It's beyond cherry-picking it's full-blown mental gymnastics. Some parts are very, very, very, very clearly literal.

Quote:If someone is a devout Muslim who is practicing his religion peacefully, then Islam is being practiced peacefully lol. Obviously.

That begs the question as they aren't actually a devout Muslim if they're not actually following their religion. This is the whole point. The extremists are the devout muslims.

Sure, maybe a partial Muslim if they're only following the bits they like. The bits that aren't violent towards nonbelievers and bigoted towards women, for example. So they're ignoring huge parts of their religion, basically.

You come to an atheist forum .And ask what are issue is with a religion .

(May 27, 2018 at 1:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 27, 2018 at 1:10 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: But there are direct explicit verses from the Quran (the source book that all Muslim factions hold holly) that criminalize behaviors like this:


Another example from the same book:



So you can understand why I seriously question the belief of extremists. What do they have to say about these verses? that is beyond me.
I think the problem is with exaggerated treatment -or bias, if I can say?- when it comes to dealing with Muslims; the media honestly speaks as if humanity didn't have 2 world wars, a nuclear blast and a hell load of mass shooting victims in the U.S .

I think that Muslims who didn't read the above verses need to seriously revise their faith, or stop taking Islam as a shield for their acts.

Why are you arguing with CL, when she just told you that she doesn't have a problem with Islam, but only with the radical elements within Islam?

Boru

I'm not arguing with CL.
I'm asking questions regarding her view and how she built it; especially when there are explicit evidence from inside the faith that contradicts her view.

I used the words "but-I think" as openers for my sentences to her for a reason.

(May 27, 2018 at 1:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(May 27, 2018 at 1:12 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote: Same here but some religions are definitely worse than others.

I have one issue with all of them: They're all untrue.

But, extremist Jainism, for instance, is hardly on par with extremist Islam or Extremist Christianity. Some religions definitely cause more harm and do more damage than others.

I don't think all religions are the same; it's innate capacity that there are huge differences in the sentences of each religion, and the demands it asks from its followers.

All the differences pale in significance next to their fundamentally identical goal of subordinating the intelligence and judgement of men to the interest of a class of parasites who thrive by making shit up and shoveling shit over the heads of humanity.