(May 25, 2018 at 2:16 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote:(May 25, 2018 at 2:08 pm)SteveII Wrote: Sure there are reasons to assign "good" to something. But what makes those reasons good? You end up with a infinite regress of 'why's' if you can't find a stopping place that provides some objectivity. Note below...
What do you mean "what makes those reasons good"? Reasons are valid or invalid, logical or not logical. The reasons themselves aren't 'good' the reasons are what support the fact that something is good (or bad).
That is simply wrong. Reason are not either valid or invalid. Reasons are just statements of rationale. Take the murder example. My reasons are: increase my security, alleviate my suffering, or create some happiness for me. These are not invalid reasons. It is your opinion that they are not sufficient reasons. Why?
Quote:Quote:Why is suffering and depriving others of happiness wrong?
Because that is what is meant by wrong and right. A universe without any conscious beings capable of suffering, a universe entirely made of rocks, for instance, would be an amoral universe.
Big time question begging. Again, answer the question why is causing the suffering of others wrong --especially since I might have reasons to do so.
Quote:Quote: Murder might increase my security, alleviate my suffering, or create some happiness for me!
Yes but using yourself as a special pleading case is precisely the opposite of being objective or rational. This is why the veil of ignorance thought experiment is so helpful.
If it's objectively wrong when needless suffering happens then it makes absolutely no sense to say that it only matters when you suffer but not for others. If it's wrong it's wrong period.
Pointing out the subjective nature of morality is not special pleading. You moved the goal post. I did not say "needless suffering". I listed three reasons why and you have not told me why my reasons are wrong. Fair warning, if you do, I am going to ask why to whatever answer you give.
The veil of ignorance is a political theory about rights of a group. I am 100% sure I can get away with murder. Why should I refrain?
