(June 13, 2018 at 2:03 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(June 13, 2018 at 1:29 am)Godscreated Wrote: I see that you do not really wish that God exist
Oh, I do. It’s difficult for you to fathom the idea that I don’t wish your specific god exists, isn’t it?
There is no other nor could there be no better, it's not just you but Christians alike that do not fully understand God. Christians have learned more about Him and understand Him better because they want to and He is teaching us. You want a god that you can make up in your own mind so it will fit what you want, and do not consider that your god wouldn't by necessity be right for others. That's why we can't choose God, He chooses us, that is those who are willing to be humble enough to be chosen. Your mind, my mind and everyone's minds are flawed and could never come up with a God who can satisfy all our needs, but we have one who will, all it takes is to listen to Him and for the life of me I do not see what it hurts to listen. You do not like the God of the Bible because you believe He demands to much of you and until you come to know Him you will always believe this because you have no understanding what it's like to live in relationship with Him.
Quote: you think the Bible is circular because that's what you want to see. no one has ever shown me anything scripture says that is circular reasoning.
LFC Wrote:The Bible is used by Christians as the evidence for its claims about god, which is absolutely circular. I am going to need a hell of a lot more than a book full of unevidenced, supernatural assertions in order to be convinced.
Exactly where else are we to get evidence, the Bible is where God reveals himself to man, after we come to know Him through Christ He will reveal himself in other ways but even those will come from scripture. This is the way He wants things to be for now and who am I to argue with the One who gave His life to save me from eternal separation. If you need more then you need to ask God, not demand but ask sincerely. However if you were to look closer at what the scriptures actually reveal you might just see God. No one can make you believe in God and He is the only one, in actuality there is no other to choose from, He is it. He is there in His word waiting if you would look for Him.
Quote:If stories about God want convince you then what will because God isn't going to open up heaven and show himself to you in a physical way, He does how ever for in a spiritual way for those who seek Him with an open heart.
LFC Wrote:If he really wanted me to believe he would.
No He would not, he knows that you do not require that type of proof, if you did He would have done so long ago. You used the word believe/faith and if God were to open up heaven and show himself to you then there would be no place for belief, now would there. One day in the future God is going to open up the heavens and His angels will accompany God the Son and then you will see,if you are alive at the time, but it will be to late for the unbelieving.
Quote:When all you do is look for things to criticize in the scriptures that is all you will find and you find those things because you can not see the finely woven tapestry which the scriptures are, they are all enter connected and only trust in God will reveal the truths written on this fine tapestry.
LFC Wrote:The Bible is morally reprehensible, and a narrative mess. I don’t need to want to see that in order for it to be true.
Why are you and all atheist stuck in the OT, that is were God shows us that we have a need for a savior. I know there are things in the OT that sound horrible, but there is real truth in them, a truth you seem unwilling to search for. Believe me it took me several years and some questioning to God to see some of those truths in what seemed as if it were the most horrible of things. The scriptures are morally perfect when it come to God and who He actually is.
Quote:Like I said I can only point you in a direction, the rest would be up to you and God. Do you really believe you will lose something by searching? I'm not sure how anyone can believe they would lose anything by taking a look.
LFC Wrote:I’ve read the Bible. I was underwhelmed. When someone presents a robust case with plenty evidence I’ll reconsider my stance.
So you do not want faith to be a part of your life, you just can't trust, is this what I'm reading from you. I can tell you this faith is worth it's weight in gold so to speak because it will lead to a revelation of who God is and that He is real, you can have a life knowing that God is real and that He will do what He promises us. Dying without evidence is like living without faith, both will get you no where, but you can have the faith and evidence if you truly want them, but that's the problem for you, you don't want them because you believe to much is required of you, yet you forget what was required of God to have you to be one of His children. Yes when God created this world He knew that there would be something required of Him if He were to have us back, redeemed unto Him. So in that why shouldn't there be requirements for us, seems plenty fair to me and you should know that I believe it's fair because I wanted to be redeemed unto my creator. I'm sad that you feel the way you do and I'm sad because I know you do not have to, I know the God of the Bible and I'm sure I do, else I wouldn't be here. Please remember this about all Christians who come here and stay for awhile, there is nothing in this for us outside of our relationship with Christ, you might find that a strange thing to hear but it's true but then you also do not understand what it's like to have that personal relationship with Him.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.