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Question to theists
RE: Question to theists
(June 15, 2018 at 2:41 pm)Drich Wrote:
(June 15, 2018 at 1:12 pm)Astreja Wrote: I have no problem at all with people trying to do their best.  I do, however, see no special role for religious belief in the process.  If a believer and a non-believer both put forth the same effort, I think they should be treated the same.

Kinda the point. Jesus if you followed his life was very anti religious.

The "point" of all of this is to have direct contact with God. free from the 'responsibilities of morality.' 'morality' being a substitute for the atonement God offers.

But why atone?  Why not just strive to do good?  It's not as if one can undo things that are already done; all you can really do is do things differently.

I also don't see responsibilities as something that one must free oneself from.  I view them more as ways of being, rather than something external that gets attached to us.
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