Question to theists

[Astreja]

Because what is good?

"Good" is the measure of the law pop culture says it wants to keep. So in 1930's germany "good" was a citizen of the blonde hair blue eye persuasion turning over jews to being in turned in ghettos and later concentration camps and eventually the gas chambers... 

If you're going down that road, don't bother calling the god of the Bible good either.  Between the Noachide flood and the whole "Believe in Jesus or go to hell" story arc, the actions of your god are just as morally iffy, if not more so.  One would expect a god to know better than the fan club of an Austrian painter with a silly moustache.

Do you understand what I am saying? from with in the culture you have no way of being objective.

I'm not objective, not at all.  I think the concept of objective morality is a contradiction in terms.  As soon as value judgements become involved, we are dealing with subjectivity.

Now it is immoral to tell a woman she can't kill her child. All she need do is agree to call it a fetus (latin for baby) and it ceases being a human child and she then can have it pulled apart in her womb with a vacuum.

So how much have you donated to support women who decide to keep their babies, Drich?  I'm talking food, shelter, education, childcare if she needs to go back to work to support the rest of her family.

For that matter, how much have you donated to help provide quality contraception to women who can't afford it, so that they don't become pregnant and don't need to get an abortion?  (I'm up to $100 CDN donations so far in the last 12 months.)

when we accept God's atonement we maintain or keep God's perfect standard as our guide posts which demands a high level of 'good' to be striven for.

There is nothing perfect about the standards of the Biblical god.