If the actions are the same even if time was replayed then that's determinism right?
And determinism would mean no free will, yes.
But with intedeterminism that simply means the future isn't determined.
We DO think about our actions before hand yes. It isn't all knee-jerk reactions. But who says that simply because we THINK them means those thoughts are ALSO thought out? GIGO; garbage in, garbage out - however thought out are thoughts are they are ultimately the product of thoughts and decisions and influences upon us before hand. And just because we BELIEVE that we control our own thoughts doesn't mean we do. I know of no evidence of this.
There is evidence that we actually make decisions yes, that's obvious - in the sense that people 'think things through' and 'make choices', yes.
But where is the evidence that we have any choice in the matter of making decisions? Whatever decisions we make, who says we have choice in them? Just because they're not determined and they could happen in a number of ways does not mean that when we DO make a decision that we made that decision itself HAPPEN.
As far as we know, all the thoughts we have, we just have right? We DO make decisions but they come from thoughts before and those come from thoughts before that. They just happen don't they? Where's the choice? We make decisions and they may go one way they may go another assuming this is an indeterministic universe - but where is the evidence that we choose our decisions? Decisions 'just happen' as far as I know, influenced by previous decisions and thoughts, which are in-turn influenced by ones before THEM; and so on.
If the universe is deterministic and there's just one big X that'll happen then that makes free will impossible, certainly.
But if the universe is INdeterministic, while that perhaps makes free will POSSIBLE because there are other options AVAILABLE. I have no reason to think it's any more probable other than the fact the mere possibility is open.
if instead of one big 'X' there is a possible A, B, C, D and so on adding as many thousands of characters as you like that could happen. How does that imply you can freely influence with choice and free will WHICH outcome will happen? Sure you have decisions. But you do in a DETERMINISTIC universe too. Only difference is in a deterministic universe, your decisions are determined. In an indetermined one, they are not. How does them simply not being determined mean you can choose your own decisions? They're still just influenced by the decisions before right? All I know is that with an indeterministic universe it means that your decisions could be different I know of no evidence that you can choose them.
If there's more possibility how does that imply you can choose WHICH possibility it will be, even in the sense of, choosing a decision?
And if you can't choose decisions and they 'just happen' where's the free will in that? It just means the universe is more random rather than completely determined! Still no more influence in a practical sense at least!
EvF
And determinism would mean no free will, yes.
But with intedeterminism that simply means the future isn't determined.
We DO think about our actions before hand yes. It isn't all knee-jerk reactions. But who says that simply because we THINK them means those thoughts are ALSO thought out? GIGO; garbage in, garbage out - however thought out are thoughts are they are ultimately the product of thoughts and decisions and influences upon us before hand. And just because we BELIEVE that we control our own thoughts doesn't mean we do. I know of no evidence of this.
There is evidence that we actually make decisions yes, that's obvious - in the sense that people 'think things through' and 'make choices', yes.
But where is the evidence that we have any choice in the matter of making decisions? Whatever decisions we make, who says we have choice in them? Just because they're not determined and they could happen in a number of ways does not mean that when we DO make a decision that we made that decision itself HAPPEN.
As far as we know, all the thoughts we have, we just have right? We DO make decisions but they come from thoughts before and those come from thoughts before that. They just happen don't they? Where's the choice? We make decisions and they may go one way they may go another assuming this is an indeterministic universe - but where is the evidence that we choose our decisions? Decisions 'just happen' as far as I know, influenced by previous decisions and thoughts, which are in-turn influenced by ones before THEM; and so on.
If the universe is deterministic and there's just one big X that'll happen then that makes free will impossible, certainly.
But if the universe is INdeterministic, while that perhaps makes free will POSSIBLE because there are other options AVAILABLE. I have no reason to think it's any more probable other than the fact the mere possibility is open.
if instead of one big 'X' there is a possible A, B, C, D and so on adding as many thousands of characters as you like that could happen. How does that imply you can freely influence with choice and free will WHICH outcome will happen? Sure you have decisions. But you do in a DETERMINISTIC universe too. Only difference is in a deterministic universe, your decisions are determined. In an indetermined one, they are not. How does them simply not being determined mean you can choose your own decisions? They're still just influenced by the decisions before right? All I know is that with an indeterministic universe it means that your decisions could be different I know of no evidence that you can choose them.
If there's more possibility how does that imply you can choose WHICH possibility it will be, even in the sense of, choosing a decision?
And if you can't choose decisions and they 'just happen' where's the free will in that? It just means the universe is more random rather than completely determined! Still no more influence in a practical sense at least!
EvF
