Atheism isn't a worldview, but

[Fred]

Fred, I'm not going to quote for quote you on that last one, but I will say that, in your op, you c&p'd mine and Rhythms question about moral truths, wrote "interesting question that has three answers" and then went on to babble about worldviews in such a way as to make yourself incomprehensible.

What was hard for you to follow? The answer to the question is going to depend on the worldview the person answering it is operating from. Why is this so confusing?

My responses to you were in response to your "moral truth" answers. You then proceeded to say, "Uh, yeah, I didn't answer them because this is a new thread, duh." Despite the fact that you had said you were answering that question in your OP.

Ok, I see the problem here. I said it had three answers, but I didn't mean I was going to answer them. Miscommunication, so my bad there.

If I were going to focus on the answer, I would have stayed in that thread because that was the topic. I wanted to emphasize that worldview aspect of it because it comes screaming out of the debate in general and because it's the context that the whole thing is taking place within.

If you say you are answering something and fully outline those answers before jumping into your worldview babble, I expect you to stick by what you said you were doing. You're no matador.

Uh, I started a thread on worldviews. I started babbling about them out of the gate. I did just what I said I was going to do.

P.S. Calling something a war that is not a war is using inflammatory language. It is meant to incite emotion in the face of something that people don't need to be riled up about.

Like I said, I didn't invent the term, it's common parlance. I've never heard anyone balk about it's use before, so this is a new one for me.

You're talking about it as if it is some epidemic of arguments.

I'm using it like it's used by mainstream everybody. There's a catholic magazine called Culture Wars. I know that because it was one of the 300 million some hits google popped up.

Why you are taking such an approach is beyond me.

It's common usage. I really don't know what else to tell you, as again, I've never heard anyone who was offended by the term.

I just want to say that I don't have anything against anyone and wasn't implying that I should have one with you. I simply object to the language you use in describing your little echelon of worldviews
and I object to you backtracking when given a response that wasn't entirely "Yeah, man. I see how you trying to answer the question of morals and not touching on it at all before delving into worldviews was like answering both questions, even though there was is not but in the question of whether atheism is a worldview."

I don't really follow that, but I'm just sure I didn't do it.

I started a thread about worldviews, said your question had three answers depending on worldviews, babbled about those worldviews using the standard term for the current social climate and somehow, I'm getting taken to task for it.

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I think the OP is a statement rather than a question... a point for discussion.

Yup.

I've never heard it put, the main 3 world view angle but I see it and I like it. It seems to hold true for me.

So the topic up for grabs is...

There are three main world views:

1. Mythic
2. Rationalist
3. Relitavist

Fred has defined them nicely for us in the OP. A bone of contention we all gnaw at is our intolerance for those WV's not our own.

Just exactly perfect summary.

I consider myself to be in Group 2 - the rationalists. My favourite atheists are also rationalists. Atheists will of course run screaming from the WV Mythic which would describe them.

Right.

Fred has outlined how and why in other threads. I'll leave you guys running with the firework jammed up your asses. Relativists are those weak walters who won't stand up for anything.

Or, as it's often put, stand up for everything. It's all relative, and it's oppressive to say that one is inherently better than another. Whenever you hear stuff about oppression, marginalizing, patriarchal, all that stuff, you know you are on relativist turf. That's why Columbus Day got changed to Indigenous People's Day in Berkeley and other strongholds. That sort of thing.

Deists : *spits* (I jest - we all, in our religious / not religious (supposedly ) groupings can straddle all 3 WVs).

Yer knocking this outta the park, Frodo.

So there you have it. Discuss.

(And try not to be the test specimen demonstrating the point )

Heh. Too late. We all demonstrate it to one degree or another.