(June 25, 2018 at 9:13 am)The Industrial Atheist Wrote:(June 25, 2018 at 9:04 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I like to think that I expose myself to varying points of view (I'm here aren't I).I'm not trying to be a douche, but that was sort of the argument for holding people indefinitely without trial at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Graibh. Of course, that wasn't enough so they had to go with the enemy combatants thing.
However I don't see people saying that those outside of the U.S. don't deserve those rights described in the constitution as inalienable and given by creator. The very phrasing, is meant to describe something which is not given by, but only recognized by the governing body.
We can talk about immigration policy, and if they should be changed. I don't think that unrestricted immigration is a good idea, and that we should have laws concerning immigration (most countries I believe do). And really what is being talked about is those who circumvent proper immigration procedures. I would say that for the majority of people, it is dishonest to try to ascribe to them, that having immigration restrictions as equal to them saying that others don't deserve basic human rights. If you are arguing that these countries are such shit holes, then do you think that those left in those countries don't deserve these rights as well? Should we start over throwing governments in these places?
It seems to me, that this is another specialty matter all together (enemy combatants). In any case, I believe it's a stretch to go from this to saying that those outside of the U.S. don't deserve basic human rights.
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