(September 9, 2011 at 8:02 pm)Shell B Wrote: Try to think about this clearly. Think about the word "worldview." Think about the connotations that has. Now, hopefully you have come to the conclusion that "world" means just about everything around us, not one silly, rather insignificant thing. Are you still with me? If so, click on this link http://www.thefreedictionary.com/worldview and really let the definition of worldview sink in for you. If you haven't figured out yet that a single fucking disbelief does not constitute a worldview, your prejudices have rendered attempts of debate with you pointless. You are hopelessly deluded to the point where reality has ceased to matter. Now, if you have realized the error of your perception, I applaud you. Being an atheist, I can tell you that it makes up a very small portion of my worldview. It doesn't dictate a single thing I do in my life. It only dictates a few things I don't do -- such as go to church and pray.
I honestly can’t be too hard on you here since your errors are more of a result of an underlying philosophical ignorance than dishonesty, but a worldview certainly can be based off of just one disbelief, particularly when that disbelief greatly impacts your views on existence, evidence, epistemology, and purpose (as atheism certainly does). Solipsism is both a philosophy and a worldview and it is simply the disbelief in the existence of anything other than one’s own mind. Just because you adhere to a worldview that cannot be intellectually defended is no justification for your complete ignorance of philosophical terms. G’day.
Quote: Well , in my country, it's guaranteed by our constitution.We enjoy the legal rights of 'freedom of religion' and 'freedom of conscience'. Hence one person does not have the right to insist another share his values or beliefs about anything. The law may(and does) prohibit many behaviours, such as blowing up abortion clinics and murdering its doctors
This fails for two reasons. First, before your constitution was written it was completely fine to impose your beliefs on others? Some countries don’t have constitutions that protect freedoms; in these countries is it therefore acceptable for people to impose their beliefs on others? Secondly, so if someone believed that they were morally justified in bombing clinics you’d be imposing your moral beliefs on them by telling them they can’t; again it is a self refuting position and I am a bit surprised you adhere to it.
Quote: Your claim about science is nonsense. Based on available evidence the scientific (and legal) consensus) in my country is that a foetus becomes a human being when it is viable ex utero,not before. I guess things are different in your country. I don't care,I'm just grateful you can't impose your personal superstitions on me or my community. Nothing more to say to you on this issue. We may need to agree to differ.
Your scientifically ignorant opinions don’t change the scientific facts here. By definition an organism becomes a living human being once it demonstrates the necessary functions of life and has a fully functional human genome. This is all present at the moment of conception. Given your fallacious reasoning about viability a person would cease to be human once they were put on a respirator which is a position nobody would hold to. Choosing any other point in time other than conception is completely arbitrary and therefore irrational. I love how you guys all like to run from the discussion only after you think you have gotten the last word, you’ll be back.
(September 9, 2011 at 10:58 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:
Hey Rev,
I can see what you are getting at here, but I just don’t think it holds water. As I pointed out earlier Solipsism is considered a worldview and it is based off of only one belief, my mind is all that I can prove exists. Christian Theism is considered a worldview but it is only based off of one belief, the Triune God of Scripture exists. If the one belief is so monumental that it affects the way the individual views reality (not believing in a deity or deities certainly does do that) it is certainly a worldview. There are differing schools of thought within atheism of course, but there are certainly different schools of thought within Christian Theism as well.