RE: Why believe the bible?
June 28, 2018 at 11:45 am
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2018 at 12:02 pm by SteveII.)
(June 28, 2018 at 10:13 am)Mathilda Wrote:(June 28, 2018 at 9:21 am)SteveII Wrote: The 27 individual books are the evidence. They individually discuss and outline the claim.
So the 27 individual books are the evidence and the claim? That was my entire point. You're just restating it as if you are counteracting what I was saying.
And does every xtian agree what parts are the evidence and which parts are the claim? Is it specified as that anywhere in the Bible? Or are you speaking for every xtian on the planet in order to try and win an argument?
There is no argument to win. Evidence is a piece of information or fact. A claim is an idea. The evidence is the actual book or letter. The content of that book or letter is the claim. The reason they are not the same is that you can have multiple pieces of evidence (books or letters) written by different people over decades that have basically the same claim. Each book is physically, logically, epistemologically, contextually, and chronologically different.
You need to have the Bible be one thing. So then the evidence and the claim become the same thing. But that is not reality.
Quote:(June 28, 2018 at 9:21 am)SteveII Wrote: What part of the NT is "not actually correct"?
I see you are now ignoring the OT for no reason. Is that no longer part of the Bible? This just makes you look disingenuous.
Different set of claims separated by four centuries. Lumping them together serves no discussion purpose other than to make irrelevant points by people who don't know the difference.
Quote:(June 28, 2018 at 9:21 am)SteveII Wrote: What specific thing in the NT has been disproven by science or historical research? My guess is that you don't really know what you are talking about. Go ahead, answer.
Anyway, to name a few examples from the NT:
- the virgin birth
- the resurrection
- All, or almost all if we're being generous, of the miracles of Jesus such as walking on water, calming a storm, feeding a crowd of thousands from a few simple items of food, raising the dead, his cures etc
These all violate what we know from biology and physics.
Nope. Science does not disprove these things because no one ever claimed they were naturally occurring events (and therefore the purview of science). To think so is question begging--the most popular sport of AF.