(June 28, 2018 at 3:13 pm)possibletarian Wrote:(June 28, 2018 at 2:33 pm)SteveII Wrote: We are talking about a specific set of miracles chronicled in the NT. They can be substantiated by people who saw them. These people later wrote things down, told other people and had them write them down. There is no proof. Only whether you believe the evidence and have additional reasons to think the evidence is true. Christian belief does not happen because you read about a miracle and believed it to be true. It is a process I outlined in my very first post in this thread.
Bringing up people who purportedly perform miracles today is a red herring. I have no knowledge of or access to these claims.
Well that's the question posed, why in the face of what we know in naturally possible do you believe in a spiritual world or miracles at all? (and by extension the claims the bible makes)
Why would knowledge of the natural world preclude any belief in the supernatural? What knowledge did the first century people lack about the natural world that would have made a difference in how the chronicled miracles were seen? They understood that lame was lame, leprosy was bad, dead was dead, and 5000 people eating 12 loaves and fishes had no naturalistic explanation.
Are you also aware that each miracle had context and a stated purpose that illustrated something. For example. Mark 2:1-12 showed he had the power to forgive sins.
Quote:If you search for Indian guru's you will come across claims that these people carry out miracles along a similar theme, some of them still alive and with eye witness accounts many of whom are still alive. I assume you reject these miracles out of hand (please correct me if i'm wrong). Why not research some of them, and see if eye witness account is adequate for you to believe they can indeed do miracles.
If it's not adequate for you now despite the masses of people saying they see miracles, or whatever other supernatural events you care to describe from all religions and creeds, then why believe them in the bible ?
I googled Indian Guru Miracles. The first page of links is not promising. I am not chasing this rabbit for such a weak list of 'miracles' surrounded by controversy. If you want to pick one out to discuss, by all means...