(June 29, 2018 at 11:25 am)emjay Wrote: Well it certainly is curious... but it would be much more curious to me if the idea that came to you was outside your realm of expertise (eg as some sort of electrical engineer)... like if I... as someone who has very little understanding of electronics... if I started drawing complex circuit diagrams off the top of my head then I'd be like 'WTF is going on here?'. Or if started writing/speaking in a foreign language that I'd had no exposure to... (and tongues doesn't count ; it would have to be a language that could be verified by others as a language, word for word)... then again, I'd be like 'WTF is going on here?'. But if the idea was related to a subject I was familiar with/interested in/or had been exposed to, then no matter how novel or out of the blue the idea was, I'd put it down to subconscious intuition because if you think about it like this, what is an idea but a rearrangement of properties you already know, in a novel configuration? For instance, do you know those old point and click adventure games like Monkey Island? 'Use objectX with objectY to do Z/make objectZ'... in those sorts of games some of the combinations are more obvious, such as 'use pin with balloon', and some are more obscure, but what happens in those games is often you get completely stuck... but then if you just sleep on it... sometimes the answer just comes out of the blue to you the next day. In other words, the day before you'd been trying to work it out consciously and maybe getting stressed with it, having mental blocks with it, and making the wrong assumptions about it (like how you're led to do when solving riddles... they rely on you making the wrong assumptions to begin with, forcing you to 'think outside the box' if you're going to have any hope of solving them), but once you consciously let go of all that, it leaves your subconscious, free of all those assumptions, to look at the big picture... because it has access to everything you've been exposed to and therefore is free to 'rearrange properties you know' to its heart's content behind the scenes... and maybe find a solution, which would come to you as an idea, seemingly out of the blue.Intuition is not always the easiest thing to trust, due its usual 'out of the blue' nature... but it's a very real thing and more trustable the more obvious the reasoning for it is... ie the more you can consciously link the feeling/idea to what you consciously know in the moment. Another example of intuition is gut feelings... for instance the feeling that something is 'too good to be true'.... which is again difficult to trust because you can't immediately see the reason for it... but your subconscious can see the big picture. So in that sense you could have ideas which obviously follow from previous thinking and they would be more consciously trustable than ideas that don't appear to follow your previous thinking. So in your case where you've described an out of the blue idea, but within your realm of expertise... in the sense that you understood the parts (eg electronics knowledge) just not how they fit together into a solution, and have trusted the idea despite barely understanding it... that is definitely curious... especially the level of confidence you showed in it by tossing it across the table saying 'this should work', but perhaps one explanation could be that you have learnt to trust your intuition, perhaps more than most people would, by attributing it to a gift from god. Were you a Christian before this happened? Ie, if you understand what I'm meaning by intuition here, were you already routinely trusting your intuition, or God, if you prefer to call it that, before this?Yes I was, and Again an honest person knows where his abilities begin and where they end. for instance looking back on what i did i have a hard time understanding everything, but i get it. I understand what you are saying and doing. you are looking for the plausible so you can put this story to bed. which is fine. This was Something God did for me. It's wasn't for you persay other than to point out these sort of things are on the books for those who need them even today! So that I know where he is and how He works in my life. Again for me if this was a once and a life time deal I would not look to God so quickly, but this type of amazing thing is almost my everyday. (Good and Bad) If you are honest with yourself you can see where you begin and end. So when something like this comes it is hard to attribute this to some dormant super genius gene.
Quote:Again when it was time, it was like someone turned on a switch. not that I figured out the english language on my own or invented geometry or algebra for myself. it was like I knew nothing found God, and he turn on what was missing/healed me of my retardedness if you will (was literally in Learning Disabled classes from the start till I finished.)
Quote:Again, I'd be inclined to put that down to intuition... depending on how much prior exposure you had to the subject in question... iMy math experience in a formal/school setting never exceeded general math 2 which was basic add subtract multiply divide and how to balance a check book and write checks.
Not that I can teach a course on advanced mathematics I can muddle my way through the problems and formulas I need to do my job. Heat load caculations, Kfactor equasions ect.
Quote:ie there's a difference between not understanding a subject you're interested in/studying and then it suddenly clicking in a lightbulb moment of clarity (intuition), and going from zero exposure in a subject to full knowledge in that subject in a flash (eg the foreign language example above)...how about zero to the level of understand that I need?
Quote: the latter I would have no explanation for, not even a guess, but the former just makes sense as subconscious intuition. For instance I have an example in my own life that could be comparable to yours but it goes in the opposite direction; when I was 18 it clicked for me in a 'moment of clarity' that 'there is no god'. I remember exactly where I was, nearly twenty years later... right down to the table I was sitting at in the college classroom... when that idea came to me, showing it was a powerful emotional event - flashbulb memory. But the thing was, I was not consciously reasoning towards that conclusion, or even wanting it... ie it came to me completely out of the blue. Indeed, before that I was almost as stubborn a Christian as you and defended it without doubt against onslaught after onslaught by my predominantly atheist friends. But after that moment, everything changed and a whole new worldview opened up to me, which snowballed in that direction with more and more things clicking. That sounds very similar to what you describe as your experience of finding god, both in terms of the snowball effect and how emotionally powerful and memorable the experience was.This is how I describe my "jumps in knoweledge"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vMO3XmNXe4
Quote:A stranger a man I had met only in passing could not describe gave me a 25K dollar loan. I did work for his company, but never met the owner before.
Like you working for starbucks and the owner of a coffee bean supplier who your store buys from gives you money to set up your own store. Not because you deserved it but because He was lead to/felt the need to.. 17 years ago comming off 9-11 25K investment when everything was gong south was a very big deal. especially to a 26 year old who you didn't even know.
no intrest loan, could not charge him labor but fair mark up on parts. took less than a year to pay him back.
again this man was a stranger. I did not even know his name.
Quote:How exactly did all this come about, if you don't mind me asking? Did he just come up to you out of the blue and say 'here, would you like a loan of $25, 000?' or was there anything that led up to that? For a start, were you looking for a loan at the time... asking around... or did others know of your financial situation and/or goals? And was this guy a Christian?John was an old NYC Jew who made a mint up there in a corner store moved down here in Fl in his 40s and open a beer and ice store here. which he turned into a booming ice business. FF 20 or 30 years he bought a trailer rental business. and hired a guy to run it. "Emad" was my contact. About that time I went into business with 2 other guys as 1/3 partners. the 3 of us would work on equipment turn everything into the lead guys wife she would do the billing and they paid us for what was billed. this worked well for about two years. then the lead guy disappeared for the month of feb. came back had a whole big long family emergency thing out of the country bla bla bla. then two week later he was gone for 2 weeks. then emad said our billing cycle was off and they were billing once a month and they were coming out to huge monster bills the owner did not like.
I apologized and came out the next day to work, then i see the old man roll in in his escalade or hummer cant remember which he had first but he showed up and gave me a rash about the bills and at that point I knew he was going to be pissed again because my partner left again no explanation. So rather than just bill the guy i told him what was happening. He said could I do all of this on my own? work and do the billing? I said yes y wife is a nurse who does all the medical insurance coding and billing for her dr.'s office and she does the billing for he dad who is a roofing contractor. He ask how much would I need to get started I said idk maybe 50k (which was my buy in/what my partner said it cost to set me up with my own stuff) he said you resourceful, bet you can do it for 25K I said I m sure that I can. he said I'll write you a check now if you want but better talk to your wife first.
I spoke with her and we met at a perkinn wrote a contract for payback on a napkin (4 lines we all signed) and he gave us a check we went to the bank and cashed it. he had to come down to authorize, and I bought my first service truck and stocked it got permits and license. worked for a year, went back for another loan got a second truck and thing doubled every year since then.
Quote:Again, this could be due to you trusting your intuition... and that snowball effect... and going with the flow with it. I've mentioned this before, that someone close to me has a similar type of worldview to you, not Christian but a 'universe will provide' view, which results in them being endlessly positive about things and essentially seeing 'little miracles' everywhere... and having a similar sort of determination and bounce-back-ability as you. It is pretty cool, don't get me wrong... because it does lead to a certain 'emotional robustness' you could call it... if everything's seen as part of a plan... but though I may have seen things that way before, when I was a Christian, and in some ways do miss it, I could never see them again that way... and instead just see that as the power of positive thinking, belief, and bias.I'm very cautious unless I see God's signature on it. meaning it has to jive with scripture, it needs to be consistent with the direction I am going (no 180s no matter how good it sounds.) and I must be able to walk through with out effort. meaning their can't be a push back. If so then I go forward, if I get push back i drop it. last but not least this must improve our situation.
Quote:Well if you put any stock in what I've said about subconscious intuition... it's not always right; after all you and I both had different flashes of inspiration, you coming to the conclusion that he God does exist and me coming to the conclusion that he didn't... we can't both be right.But again my situation is a daily or almost daily affirmation. not a one time deal. My assurances comes when it raise/when we are tested and we as a family or as a company come out stronger or more productive where the employees grow together and work together as one, no one is out for themselves. I think successful people are those who can evaluate themselves honestly. The know their strengths and weakness and surround themselves with those who fill in the gaps they have. They also know when they are responsible and when to know when to give credit where credit is due. For me that means giving credit to God when I know I am receiving something beyond my ability to produce it. Again this is beyond a gut feeling or some idea that this may... When God give you an idea or an understanding it is like being up loaded with everything you need to complete what ever task or understanding . like neo being uploaded with kung-fu. I was sitting in a meeting and all of this info started flooding in. again I was given picture of coponets and drawing as fast as i could and then given another and another and another not understanding the relationship yet. again first meet first time face with the obsticals and dude had not even finish and I had a complete solution...
I can't described any better than being up loaded. Happens a lot since I've started writing here. The whole creation evolution bit started out like that. saw it and wrote it as things unfolded before me. That whole bit is counter intuitive but makes so much sense and answers all paradoxical problem with literally not changing a thing written in the bible, yet it covers everything evolutionists have to say.
Quote:In other words, subconscious intuition only works to rearrange data you've already been exposed to into novel configurations (ie ideas), some better than others, ie your subconscious works with what it's given through a lifetime of learning about/exposure to different subjects... but it can only work with that... making it true, from my perspective that psychologically the old saying 'nothing new under the sun' makes sense; that all ideas are only reconfigurations of existing knowledge, and since no two people have been exposed to exactly the same life experiences and information in their lives, it stands to reason that intuitions can be very different across individuals.you maybe right I maybe a lex luthor intellect... what the would be better lex luthor without superman or anything to stop him? or lex luthor being regulated by God?